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Parental Influence on Political/Religious Choices of A2Kers

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 07:08 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
I believe in RATIONAL self interest. When another person becomes involved, the entire equation changes. I have no problem with a person who owns a huge ranch to ride his car at 110 mph on that property, as long as there is no danger of hurting another person. It might be a stupid thing to do, but I think that a person has the right to drive at 110 mph on his own property.

If he runs into a tree, that's his lookout. I think that it is inappropriate for the guy to take the same car, at that speed on the interstate, where other people could be involved.

"The right to swing your arm, ends at the other fellow's nose"!

Well then, I guess the Lady Diane will never again get to drive across Nevada in the Porsche.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 07:11 am
dyslexia wrote:
Well then, I guess the Lady Diane will never again get to drive across Nevada in the Porsche.


If I am ever out in your neck of the woods, and we get together, I will do the driving! Laughing
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 07:19 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
I believe in RATIONAL self interest. When another person becomes involved, the entire equation changes. I have no problem with a person who owns a huge ranch to ride his car at 110 mph on that property, as long as there is no danger of hurting another person. It might be a stupid thing to do, but I think that a person has the right to drive at 110 mph on his own property.

If he runs into a tree, that's his lookout. I think that it is inappropriate for the guy to take the same car, at that speed on the interstate, where other people could be involved.

"The right to swing your arm, ends at the other fellow's nose"!

I agree with u, in principle.


I will offer a factual distinction
that this might not apply to long stretches of straight road,
away from inhabited areas; the Germans seem to have little difficulty
with the Autobahn, which has had no speed limit for many years.
David
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 07:27 am
Again, my example has to be taken in context. I have driven in places where the roads were straight, wide, and practically deserted. The exits were few and far between. I would suppose, that in places like these, speed limits ARE unnecessary.

I have never been in Germany, therefore never experienced driving on the Autobahn. Therefore, I am not qualified to make a judgement.

My point is, that I think that people should be able to live, unfettered, unless their actions are having a negative impact on other people.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 10:58 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Again, my example has to be taken in context. I have driven in places where the roads were straight, wide, and practically deserted. The exits were few and far between. I would suppose, that in places like these, speed limits ARE unnecessary.

I have never been in Germany, therefore never experienced driving on the Autobahn. Therefore, I am not qualified to make a judgement.

My point is, that I think that people should be able to live, unfettered, unless their actions are having a negative impact on other people.

As I said, hereinabove:
I agree with u, in principle.
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Diane
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 01:32 pm
Phoenix, you'd better get out here fairly soon.

I've already told Dys that I TOWER over you, explaining that you are terribly vertically challenged. He has seen a photo of the two of us in Florida; I want to be able to show him in person.

Your tall, willowy friend,
Diane, [size=7]exaggerating just a bit.[/size]
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 05:49 pm
OK -- I have a student, a SPED kid, who choses to sit with her back to her teacher in most of her classes. Does this kid have the "right" to do this? Does a teacher have the "right" to discipline her?


What about another student, who is almost 16 and who reads on the first grade level. Does she have the 'right' to remain at first stage literacy? Does the principal have the right to tell her English teacher to try to bring her up to grade level? Do I have the 'right' to make her less of a danger to herself? Does the Dept of Social Services have the 'right' to prosecute her mother for neglect?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 06:51 pm
plainoldme wrote:
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OK -- I have a student, a SPED kid,

Really speedy, huh ?


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who choses to sit with her back to her teacher in most of her classes.
Does this kid have the "right" to do this?

Yes


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Does a teacher have the "right" to discipline her?

No


Quote:
What about another student,
who is almost 16 and who reads on the first grade level.
Does she have the 'right' to remain at first stage literacy?

Yes






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Does the principal have the right to tell her English teacher to try to bring her up to grade level?

Yes
( freedom of speech )



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Do I have the 'right' to make her less of a danger to herself?

No





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Does the Dept of Social Services have the 'right' to prosecute her mother for neglect?

No
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 07:10 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I will offer a factual distinction
that this might not apply to long stretches of straight road,
away from inhabited areas; the Germans seem to have little difficulty
with the Autobahn, which has had no speed limit for many years.
David[/b]


Germans over the age of 18 need at least 30 hours driving lessons with a licensed driving instructor, test on ca. 200 questions related to all
kinds of traffic regulations and only after passing the written exam are
they allowed to take the driving exam which takes about 30 to 45 minutes.

Quite contrary to the US where you at 16 can take a written test of only
27 questions, drive once around the block and are let loose into traffic.
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Diane
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 07:41 pm
Hmmm, CJ, the only good thing I have to say about the US driving regulations is that it greatly helps in population control.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 07:57 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I will offer a factual distinction
that this might not apply to long stretches of straight road,
away from inhabited areas; the Germans seem to have little difficulty
with the Autobahn, which has had no speed limit for many years.
David[/b]


Germans over the age of 18 need at least 30 hours driving lessons with a licensed driving instructor, test on ca. 200 questions related to all
kinds of traffic regulations and only after passing the written exam are
they allowed to take the driving exam which takes about 30 to 45 minutes.

Quite contrary to the US where you at 16 can take a written test of only
27 questions, drive once around the block and are let loose into traffic.

We have driving schools in America, too.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 08:20 pm
Yeah, but they're a joke!
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 08:23 pm
Diane wrote:
Hmmm, CJ, the only good thing I have to say about the US driving regulations is that it greatly helps in population control.


That's one way of looking at it, Diane. Wink
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 08:55 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
Yeah, but they're a joke!

Have u tried them all ?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 09:27 pm
No need to, I see the outcome every day on the road.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jan, 2007 04:41 pm
So, David, you think that kids ought to go through life without the ability to read. What jobs will they be able to do? You think the teacher has no right to bring students above level one literacy, which means this person can sign their name and do enough math to add and subtract and, if they were to read a sports story in the paper, would be able to find one fact. Wow! There is hope for America after all!!!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jan, 2007 08:22 pm
plainoldme wrote:
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So, David, you think that kids ought to go through life without the ability to read.

I don 't think that thay ought to do that.



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What jobs will they be able to do?

I had this conversation with my mother
well over half a century ago,
when I was 6.
She enlightened me as to the value of education,
when I challenged jurisdiction
(" where in the HELL do thay get the right to make ME go over THERE ? ")
to which I acquiesced, however grudgingly.







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You think the teacher has no right
to bring students above level one literacy,

Yes.
The teacher has the right to vote,
the right to go to church
and the right to keep and bear arms,
but he has no right to
to bring students above level one literacy.

Look at it this way:
if a teacher were prevented by his students
from voting or going to chuch,
then the students wud have violated the rights of their teacher,
but if the students merely IGNORED the teacher,
wud thay thereby violate the teacher 's rights ?

Wud the teacher be rightfully entitled to compensation therefor ?






[quote]
which means this person can sign their name
and do enough math to add and subtract and,
if they were to read a sports story in the paper,
would be able to find one fact.

OK, since we r discussing education,
perhaps u 'll enlighten me as to Y u have chosen
to use the plural of " their name " when this refers to a single person,
to wit: " this person " ?
Y the failure to co-ordinate singular n plural usages ?

( Note that in my use of fonetic spelling,
I am in overt rebellion and repudiation of the orthografic paradime,
insofar as it is inconsistent with logic n efficiency;
does YOUR decision in this matter reflect a choice
to rebel against the logic of numbers ? )

David

P.S.:
If I sound a little too ruff,
I 'm only having a little fun with logical concepts here;
please accept it in that spirit.

[/b]
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jan, 2007 09:19 pm
Ha, omsigDAVID and logic is an oxymoron in itself.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jan, 2007 10:25 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
Ha, omsigDAVID and logic is an oxymoron in itself.

That is an ad hominem, below the belt,
cheap shot, of which Wild Bill Hickok wud not approve, CJ.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jan, 2007 03:38 pm
David: I am not going to recapture your words because I hate to read those endless little boxes. However, there is a contradiction in your statement.

You said that your mother taught you the value of education and yet you feel the teacher has no right to bring a child above level one literacy.

So, it follows that your mother taught you education has no value.

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You perhaps do not know that a person in the singular may be referred to as "they" if that person is a stand in for many people (that is, a model) and/or if the writer wishes to avoid s/he or (s)he.

Why would you question that? Don't you believe in freedom? If you do, then nothing need be questioned, right? Or is your literacy level such that you are unfamiliar with this practice?
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I have often thought that you pretend to rebel against standardized English because you do not know how to spell.

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Imagine, then, a world in which every parent subscribes to your belief that a teacher has no right to lead a child above level one literacy. Describe same.

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I was recently in a store and a rather fat, older woman parked her cart across a narrow aisle diagonally, completely preventing me from moving forward.

To one side of her was a display of salsas and corn chips while there were low shelves of baked goods immediately to her other side. An Asian child of about five was bouncing up and down in front of the salsa and chips while the woman examined a package of cinnamon buns. The woman told the little girl to wait until her mother arrived and she passed judgment on the buns.

I was behind my cart and had no access to either the chips or the baked goods or to the cheese that was immediately behind the woman. The woman finally looked up and saw that I was waiting to pass and moved the child. I noticed there was a package of chips on the floor and I asked the child to pick it up, as I had to either come from behind the cart or simply run over the package.

The a rather loud woman of European descent came up screaming, "Who is telling my daughter to do something. My daughter did not knock over those chips."

Well, of course, the woman could not have seen her daughter's feet but no one else had access to that space.

I looked her square in the face and said, "I'm glad that you are raising your daughter to be a pig."

Sounds like she subscribes to your parental theories.
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