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Keith Olbermann to Bush: Have you no sense of decency, sir?

 
 
Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 10:14 am
Sept. 5, 2006
'Have you no sense of decency, sir?'
by Keith Olbermann
MSNBC

It is to our deep national shame?-and ultimately it will be to the President's deep personal regret?-that he has followed his Secretary of Defense down the path of trying to tie those loyal Americans who disagree with his policies?-or even question their effectiveness or execution?-to the Nazis of the past, and the al Qaeda of the present.

Today, in the same subtle terms in which Mr. Bush and his colleagues muddied the clear line separating Iraq and 9/11 -- without ever actually saying so?-the President quoted a purported Osama Bin Laden letter that spoke of launching, "a media campaign to create a wedge between the American people and their government."

Make no mistake here?-the intent of that is to get us to confuse the psychotic scheming of an international terrorist, with that familiar bogeyman of the right, the "media."

The President and the Vice President and others have often attacked freedom of speech, and freedom of dissent, and freedom of the press.

Now, Mr. Bush has signaled that his unparalleled and unprincipled attack on reporting has a new and venomous side angle:

The attempt to link, by the simple expediency of one word?-"media"?-the honest, patriotic, and indeed vital questions and questioning from American reporters, with the evil of Al-Qaeda propaganda.

That linkage is more than just indefensible. It is un-American.

Mr. Bush and his colleagues have led us before to such waters.

We will not drink again.

And the President's re-writing and sanitizing of history, so it fits the expediencies of domestic politics, is just as false, and just as scurrilous.

"In the 1920's a failed Austrian painter published a book in which he explained his intention to build an Aryan super-state in Germany and take revenge on Europe and eradicate the Jews," President Bush said today, "the world ignored Hitler's words, and paid a terrible price."

Whatever the true nature of al Qaeda and other international terrorist threats, to ceaselessly compare them to the Nazi State of Germany serves only to embolden them.

More over, Mr. Bush, you are accomplishing in part what Osama Bin Laden and others seek?-a fearful American populace, easily manipulated, and willing to throw away any measure of restraint, any loyalty to our own ideals and freedoms, for the comforting illusion of safety.

It thus becomes necessary to remind the President that his administration's recent Nazi "kick" is an awful and cynical thing.

And it becomes necessary to reach back into our history, for yet another quote, from yet another time and to ask it of Mr. Bush:

"Have you no sense of decency, sir?"

Sept. 5, 2006 | 7:00 p.m. ET

Special comment on Bush's speech

Today, President Bush followed in the steps of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld by comparing war critiques to the Nazis of the past, and the al Qaeda of the present. Tonight, Keith Olbermann responds with a special comment on "Countdown." You can catch Olbermann's full response at 8 p.m. ET on MSNBC, but here's a sneak peek:

Now, Mr. Bush has signaled that his unparalleled and unprincipled attack on reporting... has a new and venomous side angle:

The attempt to link, by the simple expediency of one word?-"media"?-the honest, patriotic, and indeed vital questions and questioning from American reporters, with the evil of al Qaeda propaganda.

That linkage is more than just indefensible. It is un-American.

Mr. Bush and his colleagues have led us before to such waters.

We will not drink again.

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Watch "Countdown" each weeknight at 8 p.m. ET on MSNBC TV

Aug. 30, 2006 | 8:34 p.m. ET

Feeling morally, intellectually confused?


The man who sees absolutes, where all other men see nuances and shades of meaning, is either a prophet, or a quack.

Donald H. Rumsfeld is not a prophet.

Mr. Rumsfeld's remarkable speech to the American Legion yesterday demands the deep analysis?-and the sober contemplation?-of every American.

For it did not merely serve to impugn the morality or intelligence -- indeed, the loyalty -- of the majority of Americans who oppose the transient occupants of the highest offices in the land. Worse, still, it credits those same transient occupants -- our employees -- with a total omniscience; a total omniscience which neither common sense, nor this administration's track record at home or abroad, suggests they deserve.

Dissent and disagreement with government is the life's blood of human freedom; and not merely because it is the first roadblock against the kind of tyranny the men Mr. Rumsfeld likes to think of as "his" troops still fight, this very evening, in Iraq.

It is also essential. Because just every once in awhile it is right and the power to which it speaks, is wrong.

In a small irony, however, Mr. Rumsfeld's speechwriter was adroit in invoking the memory of the appeasement of the Nazis. For in their time, there was another government faced with true peril?-with a growing evil?-powerful and remorseless.

That government, like Mr. Rumsfeld's, had a monopoly on all the facts. It, too, had the "secret information." It alone had the true picture of the threat. It too dismissed and insulted its critics in terms like Mr. Rumsfeld's -- questioning their intellect and their morality.

That government was England's, in the 1930's.

It knew Hitler posed no true threat to Europe, let alone England.

It knew Germany was not re-arming, in violation of all treaties and accords.

It knew that the hard evidence it received, which contradicted its own policies, its own conclusions ?- its own omniscience -- needed to be dismissed.

The English government of Neville Chamberlain already knew the truth.

Most relevant of all ?- it "knew" that its staunchest critics needed to be marginalized and isolated. In fact, it portrayed the foremost of them as a blood-thirsty war-monger who was, if not truly senile, at best morally or intellectually confused.

That critic's name was Winston Churchill.

Sadly, we have no Winston Churchills evident among us this evening. We have only Donald Rumsfelds, demonizing disagreement, the way Neville Chamberlain demonized Winston Churchill.

History ?- and 163 million pounds of Luftwaffe bombs over England ?- have taught us that all Mr. Chamberlain had was his certainty ?- and his own confusion. A confusion that suggested that the office can not only make the man, but that the office can also make the facts.

Thus, did Mr. Rumsfeld make an apt historical analogy.

Excepting the fact, that he has the battery plugged in backwards.

His government, absolute -- and exclusive -- in its knowledge, is not the modern version of the one which stood up to the Nazis.

It is the modern version of the government of Neville Chamberlain.

But back to today's Omniscient ones.

That, about which Mr. Rumsfeld is confused is simply this: This is a Democracy. Still. Sometimes just barely.

And, as such, all voices count -- not just his.

Had he or his president perhaps proven any of their prior claims of omniscience ?- about Osama Bin Laden's plans five years ago, about Saddam Hussein's weapons four years ago, about Hurricane Katrina's impact one year ago ?- we all might be able to swallow hard, and accept their "omniscience" as a bearable, even useful recipe, of fact, plus ego.

But, to date, this government has proved little besides its own arrogance, and its own hubris.

Mr. Rumsfeld is also personally confused, morally or intellectually, about his own standing in this matter. From Iraq to Katrina, to the entire "Fog of Fear" which continues to envelop this nation, he, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, and their cronies have ?- inadvertently or intentionally ?- profited and benefited, both personally, and politically.

And yet he can stand up, in public, and question the morality and the intellect of those of us who dare ask just for the receipt for the Emporer's New Clothes?

In what country was Mr. Rumsfeld raised? As a child, of whose heroism did he read? On what side of the battle for freedom did he dream one day to fight? With what country has he confused the United States of America?

The confusion we -- as its citizens?- must now address, is stark and forbidding.

But variations of it have faced our forefathers, when men like Nixon and McCarthy and Curtis LeMay have darkened our skies and obscured our flag. Note -- with hope in your heart ?- that those earlier Americans always found their way to the light, and we can, too.

The confusion is about whether this Secretary of Defense, and this administration, are in fact now accomplishing what they claim the terrorists seek: The destruction of our freedoms, the very ones for which the same veterans Mr. Rumsfeld addressed yesterday in Salt Lake City, so valiantly fought.

And about Mr. Rumsfeld's other main assertion, that this country faces a "new type of fascism."

As he was correct to remind us how a government that knew everything could get everything wrong, so too was he right when he said that -- though probably not in the way he thought he meant it.

This country faces a new type of fascism - indeed.

Although I presumptuously use his sign-off each night, in feeble tribute, I have utterly no claim to the words of the exemplary journalist Edward R. Murrow.

But never in the trial of a thousand years of writing could I come close to matching how he phrased a warning to an earlier generation of us, at a time when other politicians thought they (and they alone) knew everything, and branded those who disagreed: "confused" or "immoral."

Thus, forgive me, for reading Murrow, in full:

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty," he said, in 1954. "We must remember always that accusation is not proof, and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law.

"We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular."

And so good night, and good luck.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 10:36 am
This is quite comical, really...in a sickening sort of way.

I first read about this Washington "spin" attempt to try and forge a link between AQ and the Nazis, a few weeks ago.
The columnist asked for people to look out for it, and lo and behold, I've seen this spin in several briefings from the White House, or selected cronies, and it is obviously still going on.

Now....suuuuurely the President's advisers have seen newspaper articles, exposing this tactic?

How arrogant of them (and him) to carry on doing this manipulation.

How stupid do they think the American people are?

Or, more worryingly, just how stupid ARE Americans?

Are your newspapers exposing this cr*p?

If not, why not?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 10:54 am
Lord Ellpus wrote:
How stupid do they think the American people are?

Or, more worryingly, just how stupid ARE Americans?

As a group? Quite stupid, actually.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 11:02 am
How stupid?

According to Zogby polls, 46% still believe Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11.

That's down from 69% in September 2003, so maybe some few of us are wising up.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 11:18 am
To be fair, I can see this sort of ignorance, apathy, sheep mentality, call it what you like, happening over here in the UK.

There has been SOOOO much spin chucked at us since this "New" Labour party took over, no-one believes a word anymore, and more worryingly, a lot of people, especially the young, have lost all interest in politics, and basically couldn't care less.

Whether this is an unintentional side effect of "spin" I don't know. My cynical part of the brain tells me that this is all part of it. Get the electorate into sheep mode, and do what you like.

Worrying.



Baaaa Baaaa.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:00 pm
The opening post contains virtually no specific accusation against the president which can be checked, denied, or disproven. This is garden variety character assassination. It's like if someone said of you, "Your repeated attempts to pull the wool over the eyes of the other A2K members are despicable, and will not succeed." It sounds bad, but it has no specific charges, and, so, cannot easily be debated or denied. Anyone who disagrees with what I'm saying should make a specific accusation against Mr. Bush (not a cut and paste job with thousands of nebulous accusations), capable of being investigated and debated.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:12 pm
OK, Brandon. Would you go as far as admittimg that Bush and co. are, over tha past week or so, using the words Nazi and Fascist a hell of a lot more than they have in the past?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:16 pm
Quote:
It's like if someone said of you, "Your repeated attempts to pull the wool over the eyes of the other A2K members are despicable, and will not succeed." It sounds bad, but it has no specific charges, and, so, cannot easily be debated or denied.


It wasn't an invitation to debate. I'm sure that KO, or anyone, can come up with many specifics with which they could debate against the Bush admin. (Lord knows that I can, though some are too afraid to answer the challenge with an objective judge present).

It was an editorial about the character and nature of the president.

Cycloptichorn
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:17 pm
Lord Ellpus wrote:
OK, Brandon. Would you go as far as admittimg that Bush and co. are, over tha past week or so, using the words Nazi and Fascist a hell of a lot more than they have in the past?

Let's make this really clear. Make one, and only one, accusation of wrongdoing, then provide some evidence that it's true. If you do that, I'll debate it. If you can't or won't, then I don't think what you're saying rises to the level of anything I should spend my time on.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:17 pm
Lord Ellpus wrote:
OK, Brandon. Would you go as far as admittimg that Bush and co. are, over tha past week or so, using the words Nazi and Fascist a hell of a lot more than they have in the past?


He won't admit to anything. He is absolutely smitten with George w. Bush.

Anyone who can't see past this latest strategy is IMNSHO not dealing with a full deck quite frankly.

As we speak, Bush is on the TEEVEE lying his ass off. Again, if the American sheeple buy this bullshit, I will move to Vancouver, BC! Smile
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:18 pm
liar.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:19 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Lord Ellpus wrote:
OK, Brandon. Would you go as far as admittimg that Bush and co. are, over tha past week or so, using the words Nazi and Fascist a hell of a lot more than they have in the past?

Let's make this really clear. Make one, and only one, accusation of wrongdoing, then provide some evidence that it's true. If you do that, I'll debate it. If you can't or won't, then I don't think what you're saying rises to the level of anything I should spend my time on.


Why not? You have wasted countless hours of others' time responding to your nonsense.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:23 pm
Bush goes on about a "failed Austrian painter", and "the world ignored Hitler's words and paid a terrible price."

From another A2K thread re, Rumsfeld ....Last week the man who gave us "stuff happens" and "you go to war with the Army you have" outdid himself. In an instantly infamous address to the American Legion, he likened critics of the Iraq debacle to those who "ridiculed or ignored" the rise of the Nazis in the 1930's and tried to appease Hitler. Such Americans, he said, suffer from a "moral or intellectual confusion" and fail to recognize the "new type of fascism" represented by terrorists. Presumably he was not only describing the usual array of "Defeatocrats" but also the first President Bush, who had already been implicitly tarred as an appeaser by Tony Snow last month for failing to knock out Saddam in 1991.


Coincidence? I bet there's more, if people search around.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:25 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
Lord Ellpus wrote:
OK, Brandon. Would you go as far as admittimg that Bush and co. are, over tha past week or so, using the words Nazi and Fascist a hell of a lot more than they have in the past?


He won't admit to anything. He is absolutely smitten with George w. Bush.

Anyone who can't see past this latest strategy is IMNSHO not dealing with a full deck quite frankly.

Personal comments about a poster have no significance in advancing any thesis about Mr. Bush.

Roxxxanne wrote:
As we speak, Bush is on the TEEVEE lying his ass off. Again, if the American sheeple buy this bullshit, I will move to Vancouver, BC! Smile

Prove that what he's saying on TV now contains lies. The mere fact that you can make an accusation proves exactly zero. Give one example of a lie that you've seen him tell on TV today.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:26 pm
McGentrix wrote:
liar.


So you watched the speech too, eh?
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:28 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Lord Ellpus wrote:
OK, Brandon. Would you go as far as admittimg that Bush and co. are, over tha past week or so, using the words Nazi and Fascist a hell of a lot more than they have in the past?

Let's make this really clear. Make one, and only one, accusation of wrongdoing, then provide some evidence that it's true. If you do that, I'll debate it. If you can't or won't, then I don't think what you're saying rises to the level of anything I should spend my time on.


You are EXACTLY the brand of sheep that this is all aimed at, IMO.

They have done their homework.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:30 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Lord Ellpus wrote:
OK, Brandon. Would you go as far as admittimg that Bush and co. are, over tha past week or so, using the words Nazi and Fascist a hell of a lot more than they have in the past?


He won't admit to anything. He is absolutely smitten with George w. Bush.

Anyone who can't see past this latest strategy is IMNSHO not dealing with a full deck quite frankly.

Personal comments about a poster have no significance in advancing any thesis about Mr. Bush.

Roxxxanne wrote:
As we speak, Bush is on the TEEVEE lying his ass off. Again, if the American sheeple buy this bullshit, I will move to Vancouver, BC! Smile

Prove that what he's saying on TV now contains lies. The mere fact that you can make an accusation proves exactly zero. Give one example of a lie that you've seen him tell on TV today.


You didn't even watch the speech or you would know. That is, you would know if you weren't in a constant state of denial...gotta go Barbara Boxer is calling...
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:33 pm
Lord Ellpus wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Lord Ellpus wrote:
OK, Brandon. Would you go as far as admittimg that Bush and co. are, over tha past week or so, using the words Nazi and Fascist a hell of a lot more than they have in the past?

Let's make this really clear. Make one, and only one, accusation of wrongdoing, then provide some evidence that it's true. If you do that, I'll debate it. If you can't or won't, then I don't think what you're saying rises to the level of anything I should spend my time on.


You are EXACTLY the brand of sheep that this is all aimed at, IMO.

They have done their homework.


The Republicans problem is finding enough sheeple in enough Cong. Districts to hold the House.

Anywaym, the liar-in-chief was on the TEEVEE trying to link Anthrax attacks with Gitmo detainees.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:49 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
Lord Ellpus wrote:
How stupid do they think the American people are?

Or, more worryingly, just how stupid ARE Americans?

As a group? Quite stupid, actually.


Joe, You are giving Americans far too much credit.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:58 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
It's like if someone said of you, "Your repeated attempts to pull the wool over the eyes of the other A2K members are despicable, and will not succeed." It sounds bad, but it has no specific charges, and, so, cannot easily be debated or denied.


It wasn't an invitation to debate. I'm sure that KO, or anyone, can come up with many specifics with which they could debate against the Bush admin. (Lord knows that I can, though some are too afraid to answer the challenge with an objective judge present).

It was an editorial about the character and nature of the president.

Cycloptichorn

And was a form of condemnation that, containing virtually no specifics, could be said about anyone, whether the allegations were true or false. The specialty of the liberals seems to be to make undocumented accusations that lack any specific charge that can be examined or refuted.
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