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Songs That Tell Stories

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2010 07:33 pm
I recall that one from both school and a recorded version they played on the radio in the early 1950s. Smile
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2010 07:45 pm
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 12:49 pm
Sean Mullins has been a guilty pleasure: great voice but ballads that are stuck in Hollywood.

Here, he's turned to writing about the common man and a sad truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXV_hqLe3KE
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 02:36 pm
@plainoldme,
Sean's a good one. Never heard him before.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 02:51 pm
@edgarblythe,
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 03:04 pm
@edgarblythe,
Nice song.
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 04:16 pm


Striking similarities between the situation in Ireland and how the early Americans rebelled against British rule.
I reckon you got your rebel streak from the Irish.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 04:56 pm
I did a quick google. There were more Irish here during the rebellion than I had thought.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 05:30 pm
@edgarblythe,
Told you. Laughing
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 05:36 pm
@edgarblythe,
Where ever there's a cause.

The Irish have early connections with Texas and a long history filled with oppression, violence, individual ingenuity, faith, and exciting stories.
Long under English domination, the Irish have always left their homeland, in numbers large and small, to find fortune elsewhere. The ad interim governor of Texas in 1767 was Hugo Oconór, whose name leaves no doubt of origin. He was not the only Irish soldier or administrator or adventurer to enter the service of another country more congenial than England. Some were independent agents. Philip Nolan of Belfast was well known for efficient horse trading and illegal mapping in Spanish Texas. The latter occupation led to his death in 1801.

Father Juan Augustín Morfi, with a name as obvious as any Irish priest, came on a government inspection trip to the Texas area in 1777. His History of Texas is one of the earliest and best accounts of the land and people.

Nearly in the same tradition, Father Michael Muldoon, born in Ireland but in the service of Spain, left with Don Juan O'Donoju for the New World. O'Donoju became the last viceroy of Mexico. After Spain's expulsion Father Muldoon became priest to Austin's colony in 1831. In the colony under Mexican rule, everyone was Catholic—officially.

Some colonists saw Muldoon as a friend, others not. He was a friend of Santa Anna at times, visited Stephen F. Austin in his Mexico prison, and stayed in Texas after the revolution. In 1839 he called himself “Vicar General of the Catholic Communities of the Free and Independent Republic of Texas.”

Irish families settled in small groups in many areas of Texas but made up the greatest percentage of the San Patricio and Refugio colonial populations before the Texas Revolution. Here, McMullen and McGloin as well as Power and Hewetson in 1828 were allowed to set up colonial areas north and west of modern Corpus Christi and bring in Irish families. Rumor, and some fact, attest that the Catholic Irish were seen by the Mexican government as good, loyal buffer colonies between themselves and the troublesome Anglos. Even so, many Irish were members of Stephen F. Austin's colony to the east, and after the start of the revolution, the Mexican army became well aware on which side the Irish stood. Not their side. The Irish colonists near present Corpus Christi lived in one of the lines of march for the Mexican army. In today's terms, the Irish became excellent guerrilla soldiers.

Even their music was revolutionary. At San Jacinto two fifers and a drummer played “Will You Come to the Bower.” The music is a British army tune, and the words are an Irish love song by Sir Thomas Moore, whose Irish Melodies were popular in Europe, particularly among Irish nationalists. The lyrics, by today's standards and unlike many Irish love lyrics, are only mildly suggestive. Some verses later were printed in Texas schoolbooks.

Texas Irish, during the revolution, did not spend their time singing. Some 25 Irishmen signed the early Goliad Declaration of Independence, 11 died at the Alamo, 14 were with Fannin at Goliad, and about 100 fought at San Jacinto—a seventh of Sam Houston's army. Texas became a defended home.

In the next 50 years, Ireland was wracked by economic oppression and famine. The old country sent many settlers to Texas.

Some of the newcomers' work was stereotypical. The later 19th century Irish, arriving in substantial numbers after other established groups—as well as being Catholic, strange talkers, and considered “dumb” in the prejudice of the day—received the worst jobs: day labor. In Texas Irish crews worked east to west on the Southern Pacific railway. This route, the second transcontinental link in the U.S., was finished near Langtry. Even the railroad handcar, the velocipede car, became the “Irish Mail.”

Irish Artists

The Irish, in fact, entered most lines of work. John William Mallet, a Dubliner and professor of analytical chemistry, supported the South as a Confederate cavalryman after working as a chemist for the Geological Survey of Alabama in 1855. He became a professor of chemistry and physics and faculty chairman for the first session of the new University of Texas, never renouncing his European citizenship.

Today, more than a half million Texans identify themselves as Irish—direct descendants or recent arrivals. A number of Irish fraternal and social organizations exist in Texas, including the Irish Cultural Society of San Antonio; the Harp and Shamrock Society of Texas, a division of the Ancient Order of Hibernians; and a chapter of the Friendly Sons and Daughters of St. Patrick.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 05:43 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
Not for the first or last time you had Irish fighting against Irish.

Dennis Conahan, John Daly, John Sheehan, Thomas Cassidy, Patrick Casey. These names with a familiar Hibernian ring to them lay etched upon a rectangular stone tablet hung unassumingly on a building at the far end of the square. This simple memorial commemorated soldiers who had fought and died for a country attacked and invaded by her neighbour.
The memorial that I came across that bright early summer morning was not in West Cork or South Armagh nor was it on the site of an old battleground on the Western Front. It was in Plaza San Jacinto in San Angel, a suburb of Mexico City. Dedicated to the San Patricios or San Patrick’s Battalion, it honoured a group of mainly Irish-born American soldiers who changed sides and fought for Mexico in the US-Mexican War (1846-1847).

Their reasons for defection vary according to whom one consults. Those sympathetic to the San Patricios state that they drew parallels between US invasion of Mexico and the plight brought upon Ireland by her colonial master. They also point out that it was anti-Catholic bigotry within the WASP-dominated US officer corps that compelled them to fight alongside their fellow Catholics in Mexico. Those unsympathetic state that their motivations were purely financial claiming that the Mexicans merely offered them land and money. Other prejudiced opinions that would not look out of place amongst the pages of an old Punch magazine assert that alcohol was their primary incentive.


Their defection may still be a matter for conjecture, however what is for certain is that Galway-born John Riley, a US artillery lieutenant, led this band of Irish soldiers together with a smattering of German, Scottish and American Catholics across lines on the outbreak of hostilities in 1846. Their expert knowledge of artillery and infantry warfare proved invaluable to the Mexican army lead by General Santa Anna. They strode into numerous battles under an emerald green flag with Erin Go Bragh emblazoned across it and fought courageously in most of the war’s major engagements. Ultimately, however, their endeavours came to an end when, after ferocious close-quarter fighting, they were routed at the decisive Battle of Churubusco on 20 August 1847.

A horrendous fate awaited those who survived the battle and surrendered to US American forces. As deserters they were found guilty of treachery by a military court-martial. Forty-eight of the San Patricios were sentenced to death by hanging. The rest were branded with the letter ‘D’ for deserter and sentenced to severe floggings and long terms of imprisonment.

At daybreak on 13 September 1847 the condemned men were led to the gallows on a ridge overlooking the final battle of the war at Chapultepec Castle just outside Mexico City. Colonel William Harney, the US executioner, insisted that their hanging would only take place once he sighted the US American flag flying over the castle. The men waited agonisingly for hours in the baking heat with nooses around the necks providing a constant reminder, if they needed one, of their impending death. Francis O’Connor, one of the condemned men, had only recently had both legs amputated due to injuries sustained in battle. Finally at 9:30am their former comrades flew the Stars and Stripes signalling the final defeat of Mexican forces. Colonel Harney gave the order and the San Patricios entered Mexican folklore.


Hanging of the San Patricios following the Battle of Chapultepec
(Sam Chamberlain, c1867)
Almost 160 years after the event the story of the San Patricios still resonates in Mexican society. Each year in Plaza San Jacinto a commemoration in their honour is faithfully attended by dignitaries from the Mexican government and military, Irish embassy staff as well as members of the public. An honour guard of elite Mexican soldiers salutes them and both the Irish and Mexican national anthems are played. The current Mexican president Vicente Fox Quesada, himself of Irish descent, proclaimed in 2003 that “the affinities between Ireland and Mexico go back to the first years of our nation, when our country fought to preserve its national sovereignty…Then, a brave group of Irish soldiers… in a heroic gesture, decided to fight against the foreign ground invasion”.

As I embarked on my trip home to England the taxi driver who brought me to Mexico City airport acknowledged the San Patricios when I happened to mention that I was Irish. “Ah your soldiers” he exclaimed in broken English as he veered erratically in and out of traffic on the busy airport road, they were very brave, they fought for my country you know?”. His sentiments are echoed by many people throughout Latin America. From the River Plate in Argentina to the Rio Grande on the Mexican-US border many Irishmen fought and gave their lives in the epic wars and independence struggles of the nineteenth century for nations far removed from their own. It is certain that they went on to provide inspiration to those who would finally achieve independence the following century in their homeland.
Letty
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2010 01:37 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
Aha! So you are Irish, are ye? Razz

Ever see the Gangs of New York? Great movie.

The year 1620 the Pilgrims came over,
The good ship Mayflower brought them cross the sea.

http://www.eatongenealogy.com/mayflowerII.jpg

The Mayflower today.

History in song and narration:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFDSobNnfQs&feature=related
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2010 02:09 pm
@Letty,
Ah be Jaysus,that I am Letty, Aren't you the clever cailin.
Yes I've seen the movie , enjoyed it, I like Di Caprio, a great actor.
An Irish film I would identify more with would be Michael Collins.

I watched the youtube clip, you have to hand it to them, they were brave souls and I do believe their legacy is in the CAN DO attitude of a lot of Americans today.

Slan leat, Letty.
May the road rise to meet you,
May the wind be always at your back,
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
The rains fall soft upon your fields and,
Until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of His hand.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2010 02:32 pm
Bedad tis a foin day.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2010 02:36 pm
Thanks for that take on Thanksgiving, letty.
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2010 02:38 pm
@edgarblythe,
Ah begarra, divil a bit, sure tis pouring out of the heavens here, an sure isn't it cold enough to freeze the ***** of a brass monkey. Be Jaysus.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2010 05:13 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2010 08:01 pm
Did I mention this song before?
Written by Canadian Murray McGlaughlin.Powerful and sad



Goodbye momma goodbye to you too pa
Little sister you'll have to wait a while to come along
Goodbye to this house and all it's memories
We just got too old to say we're wrong

Got to make one last trip to my bedroom
Guess I'll have to leave some stuff behind
It's funny how the same old crooked pictures
Just don't seem the same to me tonight

There ain't no use in shedding lonely tears mama
There ain't no use in shouting at me pa
I can't live no longer with your fears mama
I love you but that hasn't helped at all

Each of us must do the things that matter
All of us must see what we can see
It was long ago you must remember
You were once as young and scared as me

I don't know how hard it is yet mama
When you realize you're growing old
I know how hard is not to be younger
I know you've tried to keep me from the cold

Thanks for all you done it may sound hollow
Thank you for the good times that we've known
But I must find my own road now to follow
You will all be welcome in my home

Got my suitcase I must go now
I don't mind about the things you said
I'm sorry Mom I don't know where I'm going
Remember little sister look ahead

Tomorrow I'll be in some other sunrise
Maybe I'll have someone at my side
Mama give your love back to your husband
Father you have taught me well goodbye

Goodbye Mama goodbye to you too pa
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2010 08:02 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
A long time fav . . . both Moving Hearts (love their version of the Blacksmith) and the song.
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Thu 25 Nov, 2010 09:34 am
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