ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jul, 2006 06:07 pm
Yes, Daniel.

On the Montevideo... (from mecannoo.com)

now I really like it...

http://www.mecanoo.com/projecten/A233/JanKlerks1.jpg
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jul, 2006 06:07 pm
royal ontario museum = we visited there last year .
i filled out a questionaire and told them NOT to adopt that design Exclamation
you'd think they would listen , but no ... they go right ahead Shocked !
imo they should have chosen a modern design that would 'blend in' with the old , rather than intruding on the old design - looks a bit like a spaceship landed on the ROM .
hbg
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Tico
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jul, 2006 07:03 pm
Shapeless wrote:
Tico wrote:
Royal Ontario Museum meets David Libeskind.


(That's Daniel Libeskind.)


oops Embarrassed
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NickFun
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 04:49 pm
I am in the majority with Santiago Calatrava - the turning torso. It just looks cool.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2006 03:10 pm
Bit of a tangent - but I just ran across this article about the matter of how to make the connection between an old building and a new/different addition work, kind of what I was getting at about the Royal Ontario Museum addition.... it was the connection that bothered me as I didn't dislike the addition entirely.

This is a Whitney Gould column in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=425892
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 01:11 pm
link for -
Parachutist hops on and off of Turning Torso...
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 7 Dec, 2006 03:46 pm
There are a lot of new skyscraper designs in the works.


A post of mine in Walter Hinteler's thread on La Phare (the Lighthouse), has a NY Times article on a skyscraper design for Paris, and one for St. Petersburg, with some photos -


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/12/04/arts/Our1190.jpg
Unibail-Morphosis (photo source)
Thom Mayne's design for the Phare Tower in La Défense, Paris.


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/12/04/arts/Our2190.jpg
Alexander Drozdov/Agence France-Presse ?- Getty Images - photo source
RMJM's Gazprom City, planned for St. Petersburg, Russia.


Part of the NYTimes article in THIS POST.


Another NYT Link re the Gazprom project problems



Link from Lord Ellpus on a skyscraper design by Renzo Piano for site by London Bridge

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/London_bridge_tower.jpg/250px-London_bridge_tower.jpg
photo from Wikipedia



Article in Chicago Tribune by Blair Kamen on design change for the new Calatrava spire in Chicago (known, it seems, as "the drill bit"

There's a poll with that Tribune link where you can vote for one or the other design -
http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/thumbnails/poll/2006-12/26777214.jpg




Hmmm, of all these so far, I like the Shard best.. as seen in the photo on the http://www.shardlondonbridge.com website (click on A Vertical City)


What do you think??
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Dec, 2006 04:01 pm
I'm also one who can't pick the "best" out of that group. I guess I need to see more variety from more places to decide.

I'm also with osso about Chicago arthitecture. There are several I really love in Chicago, because they have "warmth" and style.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 7 Dec, 2006 04:12 pm
Part of the Gazprom project problem article - (see link above for the full article) -

A Russian Skyscraper Plan Divides a Horizontal City

RMJM London
A plan for a 1,299-foot-tall building in St. Petersburg has drawn criticism in the city, where the tallest building is now just over 400 feet.


By STEVEN LEE MYERS
Published: December 2, 2006
ST. PETERSBURG, Russia, Dec. 1 ?- Russia's largest company, Gazprom, announced on Friday that it had chosen the architecture firm RMJM London to design this city's tallest building, brushing aside arguments from preservationists and residents that the project ?- whoever the architect ?- would destroy the city's architectural harmony.

A protest of the St. Petersburg skyscraper project, Gazprom City, derided it on this banner as "Lunatics City."
RMJM's winning proposal includes a twisting glass tower that would anchor a business and residential center planned for a site on the Neva River opposite the Smolny Cathedral, one of the city's most famous landmarks.

As now designed, it would rise 1,299 feet ?- higher even the Peter and Paul Cathedral, built 300 years ago by Peter the Great, which is just over 400 feet tall.

Gazprom's chief executive, Aleksei B. Miller, hailed the project as a "new symbol of St. Petersburg" akin to city landmarks including the Admiralty, St. Isaac's Church and the Peter and Paul Cathedral.

"This new, modern project will give birth to a new mentality for St. Petersburg, which lives in a new, modern civilization," said Mr. Miller, appearing with the city's governor, Valentina I. Matviyenko. "And its citizens will feel the pulse of the new economy, the pulse of the contemporary world."

Gazprom selected the RMJM proposal over five other designs by the noted architects Jean Nouvel of Paris; Massimiliano Fuksas of Rome; the Swiss team of Jacques Herzog and Pierre de Meuron; Rem Koolhaas of Rotterdam; and Daniel Libeskind of Berlin.

The competition stirred weeks of ferocious debate. Even as Gazprom's executives met with city officials and experts on the selection commission at the company's headquarters on the English Embankment, a small group of protesters passed back and forth aboard a small trawler in the Neva, dressed as clowns and mental patients and holding a sign deriding the project. "Lunatics City," the sign said. (The project is referred to as Gazprom City.)

There was also dissension within the selection panel. The Japanese architect Kisho Kurokawa, who was invited to serve as a member of the jury, read a two-page statement on Friday describing his vision for St. Petersburg, which would preserve its cityscape on a lower scale, and opposing any of the projects under consideration. He then resigned from the jury and left. In a telephone interview later, he said the city's current limit on building heights was "the most sensitive issue to keeping the existing cultural value of the old city center."

Before the architect was chosen, the project came under attack on several fronts, and potential challenges remain.

The St. Petersburg Union of Architects, the director of the State Hermitage Museum and other preservation groups have threatened to challenge it in court. This week three members of the city's parliament appealed to the country's prosecutor general, saying the project would violate budget rules and a city zoning ordinance that restricts buildings in that part of the city to 157 feet.

End of Clip



I have another link, if I can find it, from a St. Petersburg newspaper.

Well, here's the article, The St. Petersburg Times - December 4, 2006
LINK

Gazprom Winner is ?'Corn on the Cob'

By Kevin O'Flynn and Galina Stolyarova
Staff Writer


A 300-meter-tall twisting glass tower dubbed "the corn on the cob" beat out five international rivals to win the contentious competition to build a new Gazprom headquarters in St. Petersburg.

The decision infuriated critics, and a group of St. Petersburg's cultural luminaries, including Hermitage director Mikhail Piotrovsky, filmmaker Alexander Sokurov, rock musician Yury Shevchuk and writer Daniil Granin threw their weight behind what threatens to become a city-wide campaign against the construction.

Yury Sdobnov, vice-president of the Russian Union of Architects has already branded the winning design "blasphemous." The British design has also been dubbed the "Tower of Babylon" by its critics.

The head of the Hermitage Museum said the building will blight the city's landscape.

"It is a new economic symbol for St. Petersburg," Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller told reporters at a ceremony at the company's current St. Petersburg offices, where he and Governor Valentina Matviyenko announced the winning design by British architect RMJM.

"It will be a new leader, echoing the already famous architectural monuments of St. Petersburg," Miller said.

According to RMJM's design, the tower will change color up to 10 times per day, depending on the position of the sun.

RMJM was picked from a shortlist of six internationally renowned architects, including Germany's Daniel Libeskind and the Netherlands' Rem Koolhaas. The other designs included ones in the shape of a DNA strand, a cluster of cubes, and an abstract design reminiscent of a flying eagle.

What will actually be built remains to be seen, as RMJM will present the final design for Gazprom's approval in May.

"This project is not a whim for Gazprom," Matviyenko said at the ceremony. "St. Petersburg should be happy that the No. 1 company in Russia is coming to the city."

Critics, however, see the tower as a symbol of Gazprom's control over the city. The tower will form the centerpiece of Gazprom-City, a business and residential center that will be built opposite Smolny Cathedral, one of the city's most famous landmarks.

Polls have shown that up to 90 percent of residents are against the tower and architectural experts said it would destroy the architectural harmony of the city.

The tower, if constructed, would be 2.5 times higher than the Peter and Paul Fortress, the city's highest building, and more than 3 times higher than Smolny Cathedral or St. Isaac's Cathedral.

The St. Petersburg Union of Architects went as far as to refuse to take part in the design competition.

Japanese architect Kisho Kurokawa, who is designing a replacement for the city's Kirov stadium, resigned from the design jury before Friday's announcement, The New York Times reported. He said he opposed all six designs.

RMJM's design has been dubbed "the corn on the cob" in various media, including in St. Petersburg-based online newspaper Fontanka.ru, which has strongly criticized the project.

As the decision was announced, a boat with a banner reading "Durdom City," or "Madhouse City," floated past Gazprom's building on the Neva River.

Six protesters ?- one for each of the six designs ?- stood on the boat, dressed as patients from a mental health institute.

Wearing signs that said, "A high rise tower for every idiot," and "A tower for every fool," the protesters got off the boat, walked to a waiting vehicle, apparently an ambulance, and drove off.

"It is illegal," said Vladimir Popov, head of the St. Petersburg Union of Architects, adding that no one had authorized the contest. "You can't construct that kind of building in St. Petersburg."

St. Petersburg lawmakers Mikhail Amosov, Natalya Yevdokimova and Sergei Gulyayev sent a protest to the General Prosecutor's Office, asking that the legitimacy of the contest and the deal between the city and Gazprom be investigated.

The city government has agreed to spend 60 billion rubles ($2.3 billion) on building Gazprom-City, using up to half of the tax revenues that it will receive from the company over the next 10 years.

Mikhail Piotrovsky, the director of the Hermitage Museum, has been among the most strident critics of the project. "Visitors get pleasure from the unique aura of St. Petersburg. ... If we destroy its aura, we will lose the economic foundation for our future existence," Piotrovsky wrote in a comment last month for Vedomosti.

"In this part of town, the maximum height of buildings set by the local law is 48 meters but almost all projects that made it to the final of the competition go beyond this limitation," Amosov said.

A Gazprom spokesman denied this was the case. "The television tower is 311 meters, and it isn't visible from all parts of the city," he said.

Supporters of the project have compared the furor to the reaction in Paris when the Eiffel Tower was built in 1889. Amosov, who heads the City Planning Commission at the St. Petersburg Legislative Assembly said his commission had already received a series of mass complaints about the plan including a joint protest signed by 950 residents of the Krasnogvardeisky district, close to the planned construction site.

Tony Kettle, managing director of RMJM in Britain, and lead architect on the project, told the Financial Times: "When you consider Paris, a city with an equally precious environment, it has been made even more special by the 324-meter high Eiffel Tower."
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Tai Chi
 
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Reply Thu 7 Dec, 2006 04:23 pm
I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds the addition to the Royal Ontario Museum off-putting. It's interesting from a technical point of view; the national news did a story on how it was being built that I enjoyed. I don't think it's going to mesh with the neighbourhood when it's done, though.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 18 Dec, 2006 06:08 pm
More on the change in the Calatrava design for the Chicago skyscaper (some of use took a boat ride past the site for it last May) -

http://lynnbecker.com/repeat/calatravachicago/calatravachicago.htm

Lynn Becker calls the new version the "Licorice Stick"; Kamin said (if I remember correctly) that people are calling it the Drill Bit.


Ah, and here's an interesting blog on the choice, with photos to explain (including the Chrysler Building) -
http://edwardlifson.blogspot.com/2006/12/new-calatrava-design-for-chicago-is-bit.html
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Hetfield
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 07:06 pm
Hi everyone, I'm new in this forum Very Happy

What do you think about this building? It's the Telecommunications Tower, headquarters of ANTEL, in Montevideo, Uruguay.

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~bazer002/torreantel.jpg
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 07:37 pm
Hi, Hetfield, well, and welcome. What do you think? Like it or hate it, or comments plus or against?

Clean, cool. I rather like it. Makes me do a mental jump to a toned version of Capitol Records in Hollywood, which was not near as sleek.

Let me introduce myself, as an instigator of threads like this, and not the only one. (Walter Hinteler, noinipo, ehBeth, realjohnboy, others with names slipping, and now you.)

I'm not a building architect, but I'm very interested in architecture. I'm a landscape architect, pay attention as I can to site design, urban or regional.
My knowledge is on the shallow/broad side, such as it is. I push for people to say what they think about the built environment, gut likes and dislikes. We who read this at all would be glad to see arguments from both designers and users of places.

Would enjoy seeing architects come on board here with particular points of view. Want to foster talk, a back and forth between design and people who live in it.



My second take on this building is... sleek as it is, I don't know how green it is, and that is a matter gaining more attention in a variety of places, with good reason. Maybe it is sleekly green.

I'm also not That interested, in that it seems a safe corporate design.
I say this at the same time I personally am tired of fulminating titanium exploding near waterways.

How's that for a reaction? are you involved in the building?

Do you like it yourself?
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Hetfield
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 07:59 pm
ossobuco wrote:
How's that for a reaction? are you involved in the building?

Do you like it yourself?

Yes, and not just the building, which I think it's rather impressive, but once I got to go to the 22nd floor and it has the most amazing view of the sea.
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~bazer002/seaside.jpg
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 09:05 pm
I like that lower wall, the one fiercely pointing.


Why do you like the building? Suppose you had the same view but the building looked different?
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Hetfield
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 09:31 pm
Because it's the first of its type. In Montevideo, many old buildings were declared national monuments (which mean it's illegal to tear them down or modify the facade in any way), therefore, a building with this design had never been authorized before since it didn't go with the whole style of the city. Modern architecture is more common in Punta del Este.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 11:10 pm
Ok, I can see that is both exciting and good for the city, and the building is good looking, even from the point of view of someone from a distance.

As many other cities have dealt with, it is difficult to keep old neighborhoods - which are newly appreciated as the cords of a city, and progressive builders clue in ... going at the same time.

Are you an architecture watcher, or in the building business, or outside of all that?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 01:21 pm
Looks like they're about to start construction on the Calatrava spire in Chicago -
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-wed_spire_0627jun27,1,1968501.story?ctrack=1&cset=true
http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-04/29178869.jpg
handout illustration via chicagotribune.com
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Hetfield
 
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Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 06:38 pm
I don't like it, it's too phallic.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 06:58 pm
I like the Montevideo building better myself...

On the Calatrava building, I'm not sure that is the last design, will have to check. In any case, it's phallic for sure.

On the Montevideo building, I'm not clear what elements in the photo are included in the building site, besides the main building; do you have any other photo links?
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