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Sleidia
 
Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 08:04 am
I don't understand a lot about quantic mechanism, but one thing I did understand well in the articles I've read is that a quantic state allows a particle to be in two different places at the same instant.

But, isn't it possible that a particle moving really really fast could give the impression of being at the same place in the same instant?
Actually, are our instruments precise enough?
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 08:30 am
I take it you refer to quantum mechanics and the non-locality debate. Reference to the literature implies your question lacks meaning. In QM, "place" "velocity" and "object properties" are all subject to particular observers interacting with probability functions. The lay concept of "being in two places at once" is defined by the term "entanglement" where apparantly separate bodies are deemed in essence to be unified in order that "communication between them" does not violate the accepted universal limit of the speed of light. From a QM overview all "objects" could be "everywhere" until "observed"
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Sleidia
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 09:16 am
Ok, but are the objects really "everywhere"?

What if they move very fast between one point to another back and forth?
Can our measure instruments make the difference?
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 11:19 am
Sleidia

You miss the point. The word "really" has no value in discussions of alternative "realites". For QM there ARE no "objects"...only "observation events". Such an "event" has two poles which we call "observer" and "observed" which are as mutually interwoven as "up" and "down". This is counter-intuitive to everday experience but data exists at the subatomic level to support this view.

As already stated, your idea ignores the QM data and breaks with the accepted principle that "nothing travels faster than light".
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 11:59 am
This is not the result of some handful of observations in which someone spotted some object twice in a photo. This is a well developed, coherent mathematical theory, tested thousands of ways and times, with equations which predict specific behavior. The theory is that every object is represented by a cloud of probability, and actually has no position outside of measurements. This only becomes noticeable for very, very small objects. You cannot usefully speculate on a theory of which you have no knowledge. Even your question contains misconceptions.
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Heliotrope
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 03:56 pm
Thirded.

Quantum mechanics does not conform to the rules you understand the world/universe to operate by.
Reality is not amenable to human perceptions of actuality.

Basically what you think you know is not even wrong.
It is at the very best a blurred image of a shattered refection in a crumpled mirror seen down at the end of a long dark tube and relayed through poorly trained interpreters who are not really equipped to speak your language. All this while riding on a roller coaster.
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