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Multi-Dimensional Electrical Current - Sully DC [SDC]

 
 
Reply Wed 21 Jun, 2006 12:37 pm
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A US Patent has been awarded to John Timothy Sullivan for the Sully Direct Current, which is not AC nor DC. Discovered as part of new a electrolysis technique.
BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, USA -- Clear Energy, Inc., a small R&D company in Baltimore, has been issued US Patent number 7,041,203 for a new electrical current.

More at source



Homepage:
http://www.sullydc.com/index.html

Patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov

Diagram from Mr. Sully comapring with X-Bridge:
http://www.upload2.net/page/download/Wfkv2jhWORMY31J/SDC4.pdf.html

Motion Diagram:
http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?ivwok27luvg

Mr. Sullys' forum thread at PhysOrg:
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=5266

Images:
http://www.rexresearch.com/sullivan/sullivan.htm



I'm going to try to stumble through an explanation.

Lets use figure 12 from the patent for discussion to avoid confusion:
http://www.rexresearch.com/sullivan/fig12.jpg

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From the Patent:
The multi-directional electric currents have the effect of accelerating processes that rely on interaction between a current and the medium that carries the current, and of eliminating asymmetries that can lead to scaling or premature wear in batteries and other electrolytic systems. The medium that carries the multi-dimensional currents may be an electrolyte, gas, gel, semiconductor, or any other medium capable of carrying current between two electrodes, and having at least two dimensions so as to enable variation in the current direction.
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If the voltages applied to the electrodes are DC voltages, then the multi-directional currents have characteristics of DC currents, and if the voltages applied to the electrodes are two or three phase AC voltages, then the multi-directional currents have characteristics of AC currents. However, unlike conventional DC and AC currents, the currents generated by the method and apparatus of the invention move or rotate. If the electrodes are one-dimensional wires, then the currents rotate in two-directions. If the electrodes themselves move, or extend over two or three-dimensions, for example a plane or a curved plane, then the currents will move in three-dimensions.


SDC requires at least one extra PHYSICAL dimension in the current path which is the fluid electrolyte[Water + Electrolyte]. Through wires you can only have AC or DC in their various forms. SDC has characteristics that are found in both AC and DC that would seem to be mutally exclusive, and they are in a single dimensional circuit.

In figure 12 you see two wires. One is connected to the two positive terminals, and the other to the two negative terminals. The four switches are alternated 180 degrees out of phase. In the first half of the cycle current flows from one pole through the wire, then through the coil to all points where conductor is touching the fluid medium, then across the medium to the other wire, and on to the opposing pole. At no time are there any more than two poles with a switch closed. In the second half of the cycle the current path is the same except that its coming from the opposite end of the wire.

Think of the coil as having two single dimensional connections, and one multi-dimensional connection. Through the connection between the two power supply poles you have AC current without changing polarity. Through the connection between the poles and the medium you have DC current[in single dimensional terms. Actually its SDC].

Through the coil the direction of the current flow changes, but polarity never changes. Through the medium the current flow between anode and cathode never reverses, but its physical direction through the medium does change. It sort of sways back and forth without reversing direction. In absolute terms using one dimensional measurments you have continuous DC current flow between anode and cathode. It has all the properties of DC, but since the current flow though the medium is changing directions the current takes on the magnetic properties of AC current.

You only need to change the direction, not reverse directions.

It is DC with a property normally associated with AC.

And it is AC with a property normally associated with DC.

The effect cannot be reproduced with AC or DC. The properties are mutually exclusive in those systems. The new physical dimension in the circuit allows the current to possess an additional electrical property.

If you are having a hard time understanding don't feel bad. I can't begin to do even the simplest parts of the math, but I can visualize what is happening in my mind.

And I think 3DC [implying new dimensions] might be a better term, but Mr. Sullivan might not like the idea.

SDC current through the electrolyte in the example also carries a time component even though flow is continuous DC in single dimensional terms.

In other designs the current allows other combinations of properties that are mutually exclusive to AC and DC.

You can have your cake, and eat it too.



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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jun, 2006 03:26 pm
Great.

What can we use it to do that the other type of current can't do?
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ArchAngel432
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jun, 2006 04:29 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
Great.

What can we use it to do that the other type of current can't do?



From the patent:

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The multi-directional currents may be used to accelerate electrolytic processes such as generation of hydrogen by water electrolysis, to sterilize water for drinking, to supply charging current to a battery or capacitor, including a capacitive thrust module, in a way that extends the life and/or improves the performance of the battery or capacitor, to increase the range of an electromagnetic projectile launcher, and to increase the light output of a cold cathode light tube, to name just a few of the potential applications for the multi-directional currents.
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It will be appreciated that one can build an electromagnetic generator that will produce multi-directional currents and corresponding voltages, rather than converting the currents or voltages from another DC or AC voltage. Also, mechanical cam switching can create multi-directional currents and corresponding voltages, and one can similarly build motor that will run on new the voltages.



Also, if it were to replace AC power transmission it would prove safer, and more efficient. Each of the four conductors would be sqarewave pulsed DC.

The extra wire would be wasteful, but in the long run I think it could prove to be worthwhile in the face of rising energy prices.

Becasue of the changeover period I suspect they would adopt 60hz switching speed to simplify conversion to and from AC.

Converting SDC to AC or DC is simpler than AC to DC or DC to AC conversion so devices that use both types of current will be simpler to design.

Whats not obvious are all of the devices imagined long ago, and recently that simply cannot work because polarity can't be reveresed on the electrode. It can give AC properties to DC current without switching polarity through a multi-dimensional medium.

This is still very new and Mr. Sullivan has been busy working on many things besides this. A rebuttal to those confusing it with an X-Bridge or H-bridge is being prepared now, and I will post it here as soon as he sends it to me. A paper is to be published later this year.

Please don't reject it just yet. Hard numbers will be put up for peer review.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jun, 2006 04:43 pm
It sound interesting. Do you know to what degree the efficiency of hydrogen electrolysis is improved?
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ArchAngel432
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jun, 2006 04:58 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
It sound interesting. Do you know to what degree the efficiency of hydrogen electrolysis is improved?


He is not claiming overunity, and promises some hard numbers soon. He does not want to release bad data, and has brought in a PhD to help.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 09:43 am
what exactly is this "new dimension" ? from what i see here and on his website, he's only come up with a trivial and laborious way of generating pulsating dc. in fact, we use transistors in place of those switchs to do exactly what he's proposing. they change the direction of current flow through a coil to induce voltage into the other coil.

if my understanding is correct, he says that moving an electrode side to sie will produce some new characteristic of electricity. and that's just crazy. it will do nothing to the electron flow. moving COILS will induce current flow, but that is still just plain old AC power, nothing new.
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ArchAngel432
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 06:56 pm
USAFHokie80 wrote:
what exactly is this "new dimension" ? from what i see here and on his website, he's only come up with a trivial and laborious way of generating pulsating dc. in fact, we use transistors in place of those switchs to do exactly what he's proposing. they change the direction of current flow through a coil to induce voltage into the other coil.

if my understanding is correct, he says that moving an electrode side to sie will produce some new characteristic of electricity. and that's just crazy. it will do nothing to the electron flow. moving COILS will induce current flow, but that is still just plain old AC power, nothing new.


Its plain old AC power that does not switch polarity. The other dimension I was talking about was the physical dimension of the fluid medium compared to the single dimensional wires and devices in typical circuits. There are exceptions to this, but lets forget that for now.

Through the fluid medium the current does not travel in a straight line. It sort of waggles back and forth. You have a change in the direction of charged carriers without reversing direction.

From anode to cathode you see continuous DC, but there are AC effects in the medium.

The coil in the example shows alternating current across its length without changing polarity, but only DC through its multi-dimensional connection with the fluid medium.

Its AC with DC characteristics, and DC with AC characteristics, but only in mediums capable of carrying current in more than one dimension.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 07:14 pm
A patent amounts to little more than official acknowledgement your idea is original, innovative as opposed to obvious, and that the application paperwork was properly executed and filed. The patent files around the world are full of inventions that for one reason or another never live up to the inventor's claim and expectations, including countless examples that will not work for the very simple reason there is no way they can work.

Be interesting to see where, if anywhere, this goes. From what I've seen so far, it doesn't appeal to me as an investment opportunity.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 12:54 am
ArchAngel432 wrote:
USAFHokie80 wrote:
what exactly is this "new dimension" ? from what i see here and on his website, he's only come up with a trivial and laborious way of generating pulsating dc. in fact, we use transistors in place of those switchs to do exactly what he's proposing. they change the direction of current flow through a coil to induce voltage into the other coil.

if my understanding is correct, he says that moving an electrode side to sie will produce some new characteristic of electricity. and that's just crazy. it will do nothing to the electron flow. moving COILS will induce current flow, but that is still just plain old AC power, nothing new.


Its plain old AC power that does not switch polarity. The other dimension I was talking about was the physical dimension of the fluid medium compared to the single dimensional wires and devices in typical circuits. There are exceptions to this, but lets forget that for now.

Through the fluid medium the current does not travel in a straight line. It sort of waggles back and forth. You have a change in the direction of charged carriers without reversing direction.

From anode to cathode you see continuous DC, but there are AC effects in the medium.

The coil in the example shows alternating current across its length without changing polarity, but only DC through its multi-dimensional connection with the fluid medium.

Its AC with DC characteristics, and DC with AC characteristics, but only in mediums capable of carrying current in more than one dimension.


You should look up the definition of AC. AC must change polarity. And electricity through a fluid will still travel in a near-straight line as it rips electrons off the molecules. The fact that some of those may vaporize and move and then the current has to find a new path by moving, does in NO way make it close to AC.

AC power be definition changes polarity. This "new electricity" is bull.
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ArchAngel432
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 05:02 pm
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You should look up the definition of AC. AC must change polarity.


I didn't have a textbook so I looked it up at wiki.

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An alternating current (AC) is an electrical current whose magnitude and direction vary cyclically, as opposed to direct current, whose direction remains constant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_current


Its not called reversing current for a reason. There are exceptions to the pole reversal rule you would impose on alternating current such as AC with DC offset which is Alternating Current, but does not change polarity.

There is a huge difference between changing direction, and reversing directions.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 06:10 pm
ArchAngel432 wrote:
Its not called reversing current for a reason. There are exceptions to the pole reversal rule you would impose on alternating current such as AC with DC offset which is Alternating Current, but does not change polarity.

Pardon me, Sir or Madame as case may be, but with all respect, in just one word: "Bullshit".

To expand; AC voltage switches - reverses - polarity, AC current flow switches - reverses - direction, each as an absolute, interdependent, concomitant function of the time of the cycle. Simply, that's what AC current is and does, and that's why it works. AC w/DC offset is nothing special, it is an inherebnt property of AC power generation and transmission. Without purpose-designed circuitry to eliminate it, DC offset is a componet of AC current. Generally considered an undesireable property, it can and does create significant problems in some AC circuits (such as, but not limited to transducer circuits, for example in audio applications, electric motors, and force measurement applications); additional circuitry is employed to reduce, eliminate, or otherwise control the inherent DC offset. In some information handling - data transmission - AC circuits, variable DC offset control is employed to enhance or otherwise alter the desired output product's absolute wave form. In other applications, such as electrophoresis or very high voltage, very high current, very high temperature heating applications DC offset regulation may be employed to increase the production efficiency of the desired end product, in effect increasing the apparent resistance through the circuit via increasing the DC offset.

With or without DC offset, AC voltage reverses polarity, AC current flow reverses direction, each as an absolute, interdependent, and concommitant function of the time of the cycle. That's what makes it Alternating Current.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 06:17 pm
Oh timber- you are so,so expert that I almost wish I was a lady and could become inflamed by your display of expertise. It must be really,really exciting and it really,really is so frustrating to be missing out on it just because my old man hiccuped on the vinegar stroke.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 06:24 pm
Oh, hi there spendi - howya doin'? Well in every regard, I trust. Glad you found this thread; I'd begun to suspect the other scientific discussions you'd been frequenting had begun to diminish in their appeal to you. Perhaps electricity will your provide your intellect a brand new, fascinating bottomless pit in which to wallow.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 06:39 pm
It is fascinating is electricity timber. I agree.

"Ghosts of 'lectricity howl in the bones of her face".

What is it? Do you know.

It's good fun though I must admit. Do you think it's addictive?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 07:00 pm
spendius wrote:
It is fascinating is electricity timber. I agree.

"Ghosts of 'lectricity howl in the bones of her face".

What is it? Do you know.

It's good fun though I must admit. Do you think it's addictive?

Dunno as its addictive per se, but you can get quite a charge out of it.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jun, 2006 09:00 am
You certainly can.

It's like the blood in the culture's circulation.

What does any culture without it have to teach us lot. Where's the Flaubert of the Age of Electricity?
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ArchAngel432
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jun, 2006 12:41 pm
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To expand; AC voltage switches - reverses - polarity, AC current flow switches - reverses - direction,


It is only required for direction to change, not reverse diection or even polarity.

I showed an example where polarity does not reverse, and instead of acknowledging it you tried to explain why it was undesirable.

I was not talking about the desirability, I was talking about its existance.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jun, 2006 02:07 pm
You showed no such example, there is no such example. AC current is AC current, DC offset is a DC durrent overlaid on an AC current - it does not alter the fact AC current behaves as AC current, it simply has effects - in some circuits - other than as are obtained via pure, filtered AC. Without filtering, all conventionally generated AC current exhibits measurable DC offset; it is an artifact of the electromechanical properties of AC current generation. Learn electricity.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jun, 2006 03:25 pm
timber-

What sort do they use to bring this fantastic footbal match to our HD screens which you said American viewers have turned their backs on. Mexico v Argentina- what a match. What great guys those South Americans are.

I think you have a case of sour grapes. Like those ladies who get the 'ump when someone has a better frock on.

It's a big mistake.
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ArchAngel432
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jun, 2006 05:15 pm
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To expand; AC voltage switches - reverses - polarity, AC current flow switches - reverses - direction, each as an absolute, interdependent, concomitant function of the time of the cycle.


SDC Voltage does not reverse polarity, but current flow does change direction.

Without reversing directions....
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