HUMANS INTERBREED WITH CHIMPS FOR ABOUT 1.4 MILLION YEARS

Well, one way would be to use IUI (intrauterine insemination) protocols, this would get around the problem that one biologist remarked as "Human/Simian anti-body incompatibilities". IUI procedures would involve the use of SEMEN processing techniques to remove all semen elements except the sperm themselves, this is a relatively simple procedure that is used all the time with both human and farm animal artificial insemination. It requires the collected semen to be mixed with at least twice as much isotonic saline (.9% saline) in a centrifuge tube, and after thorough mixing, then centrifuged at about 50 G's for 5 minutes or so, the sperm settle to the bottom as a small pellet, the semen can be drawn off and disposed of, and more saline can be added, mixed and centrifuged again to remove any further semen elements other than the sperm, this would eliminate the prostragalins (must be removed for IUI otherwise bad things happen) and stray white blood cells, and other debris. Some animals and people due to a genetic defect produce so many viscous agents that simple saline doesn't work, so you add a small amount of PAPAIN enzyme (stuff in papaya fruit that tears up your mouth, and tenderizes steaks) when mixing with the saline, then centrifuge. Finally the sperm pellet is mixed with; isotonic saline, 10% skim milk (protein), dextrose (fuel source), and glycerol (cryoprotectant) and slowly cooled, then frozen for storage. IUI is simply thawing the sperm/extender, warming to body temp, and directly injecting through a 2mm O.D. polyethylene tube directly through the cervix, and into the uterus.

Problem: How do you obtain Chimpanzee or Gorilla semen? You ever try calling the local Zoo about this, I've heard stories from legitimate researchers with labs having nothing to do with crossbreeding, they get laughed at allot.

Could this work? Most likely yes, in the late eighties researches with human eggs and chimpanzee semen running two different lines of research decided to try it one day in a petri dish, the semen was purified and centrifuges, and exposed to the eggs, the egg began to multiply, after 16 cells, they destroyed it to avoid moral backlash.

Would it work inside a female human or chimp or gorilla? Should, barring any unforeseen compatibility issues, if it doesn't then petri dish fertilization could be done, then the dividing egg would be implanted.

Has it been tried before? Maybe, Russian artificial insemination researchers supposedly tried it in Siberia, and later sought funding to experiment in Africa, and South America to avoid social backlash in Russia from the people. Supposedly a Chinese research in the 70's tried it with his sperm and a female gorilla, but the offspring was destroyed by the RED GUARD, and he was imprisoned for crimes against nature, and also an Italian researcher supposedly had a lab where he did such experiments including chimp/gorilla hybrids that were later used in human/chimp/gorilla hybrid experiments.

Hybrid rabbit-human embryos could be created in a plan under discussion by scientists and the fertility watchdog as a result of the Korean stem cell scandal.

The team had intended to use human eggs to clone embryos in its efforts to create human stem cells for research on motor neurone disease, which kills 1,000 people a year in Britain.

Professor Ian Wilmut
But the scientists, including Prof Ian Wilmut, who led the effort to clone Dolly the sheep, have been forced to think about alternatives as a result of the furore triggered by the falsification of stem cell data in South Korea.

Dr Hwang Woo-suk's team appear to have coerced women into donating eggs.

As a result of the scandal, fewer women will now be willing to donate eggs for cloning research in Britain, Prof Chris Shaw of the Institute of Psychiatry, London, predicted.

He said it could have a similar impact to the Alder Hey organs scandal, when tissue donation "fell off a cliff" as a result of the unauthorised removal, retention and disposal of human tissue.

As well as human eggs, the team now wants to use rabbit eggs. This has been done before by Dr Hui Zhen Sheng's team at the Shanghai Second Medical University.

She used the Dolly technique to fuse human cells with rabbit eggs to produce early-stage embryos, which in turn yielded human stem cells. Prof Wilmut has already visited her team to discuss the method.

While scientists call an embryo that is a blend of cells from different individuals a chimera, in reference to a monster from Greek mythology, these embryos have only one type of nuclear DNA and are called hybrids or "cybrids".

Although cybrid stem cells could not be used for treatments, they will prove invaluable for studies of the process that makes nerves die in motor neurone disease and how to prevent this with drugs, said Prof Shaw.

Discussions are under way with the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA). Prof Shaw stressed that the chimeras would not be allowed to develop beyond an early stage. He and Prof Wilmut had intended to collaborate with Prof Hwang but yesterday Prof Shaw said: "It was over before it had even started."

The use of cybrids and chimeras is "a grey area" in terms of current regulations, which are under review, said Prof Alison Murdoch, of the International Centre for Life, Newcastle upon Tyne, one of the team that cloned the first human embryo in the West.

She added that there were already difficulties obtaining eggs, for instance from women undergoing IVF treatment. "We are looking now to find other sources," she said, adding that egg collection was expensive, costing about £3,000 for each woman.

The rabbit-human cybrid work looked convincing, said Prof Robin Lovell-Badge, of the National Institute of Medical Research, Mill Hill.

Dr Sheng's team used donor cells from the foreskins of a five-year-old boy and two men, and facial tissue from a woman. They fused the nuclei (containing DNA) of the human cells with rabbit eggs from which they had removed the nuclei. The resulting embryos were dismantled and used to derive six lines of stem cells … flexible cells that can develop into any type.

They would not be used for treatments because of concerns about disease. Also, the few rabbit genes present might generate proteins that would be attacked by the human immune system.

Dr Chris O'Toole, the head of research regulation at the HFEA, said: "The issue of mixing human and animal material is complex and not thoroughly and explicitly dealt with under the current legislation.

"However, any research that involves putting a human cell's nucleus into an animal egg would require a licence from the HFEA.

"As with all research involving human embryos, the research team would have to show that the research is both necessary and desirable, and that any embryo created could not be allowed to develop for longer than 14 days or be implanted in a woman."

Could this work? Most likely yes, in the late eighties researches with human eggs and chimpanzee semen running two different lines of research decided to try it one day in a petri dish, the semen was purified and centrifuges, and exposed to the eggs, the egg began to multiply, after 16 cells, they destroyed it to avoid moral backlash.

Would it work inside a female human or chimp or gorilla? Should, barring any unforeseen compatibility issues, if it doesn't then petri dish fertilization could be done, then the dividing egg would be implanted.

Has it been tried before? Maybe, Russian artificial insemination researchers supposedly tried it in Siberia, and later sought funding to experiment in Africa, and South America to avoid social backlash in Russia from the people. Supposedly a Chinese research in the 70's tried it with his sperm and a female gorilla, but the offspring was destroyed by the RED GUARD, and he was imprisoned for crimes against nature, and also an Italian researcher supposedly had a lab where he did such experiments including chimp/gorilla hybrids that were later used in human/chimp/gorilla hybrid experiments.

The young Soviet Union, in its effort to stamp out religion, was determined to prove that men were descended from apes. In 1926, a Soviet scientist named Ilya Ivanov decided the most compelling way to do this would be to breed a humanzee: a human-chimpanzee hybrid. Ivanov set off for a French research station in West Africa. There he inseminated three female chimpanzees with human sperm. Not his own, for he shared the colonial-era belief that the local people were more closely related to apes than he was. He stayed long enough to learn that his experiment had failed.

Next Ivanov wrote a Cuban heiress, Rosalia Abreu. Abreu was the first person to breed chimps in captivity and had a large menagerie outside Havana. Ivanov asked if any of her male chimpanzees might be available to inseminate a Russian volunteer known to posterity only as 'G."

So why would Ilya Ivanov think this would prove evolution (and even worse, disprove God)? It has to do with the nature of Marxist dialectic. Marx was, like Darwin, a philosopher of change, but the basis for change he used wasn't the undirected and tree-like change of evolution; rather it was the progressive and linear change taken by Hegel from Christian providentialism. For Marx and his followers, there was a necessary sequence that had to be followed by historical necessity. For Darwin, there simply wasn't. But in Stalin's Russia, biology was subordinate to political theory, and so evolution had to occur in the same manner as the predicted (and already falsified even then!) evolution of human society.

So hybridising a chimp and human would show that the dialectic of history had formed humans from prior apes. And this view of history, in which apes like chimps are less evolved than humans, is linear, progressive and much more like Lamarck's view of evolution than Darwin's, in which humans and chimps represent independent branches of the evolutionary tree, and in which neither is more evolved than the other except with respect to some particular traits.

I think the part about the misbegotten Marxist view of evolution is kind'a creepy!

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The young Soviet Union, in its effort to stamp out religion, was determined to prove that men were descended from apes.

http://evolvethought.blogspot.com/2005/12/kong-love-interest.html

Karl Marx or the State or the scientists would be the spiritual leaders?