Do Not Vacation in Mexico

Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed my "cracked windshield" thread.

Why don't I ever get to see things like that?? I'm leading a sheltered life!!

Anon

I doubt you raped the women, but I'll damn well bet you ate the buffalo you old buzzard!!

Anon

Cjsh, how about protesting the companies in the US who hire illegal aleins, despite the law stating that hiring is illegal.

What about the huge farms in California? They depend on illegals to get the harvesting done. Did you know that there is a tacit agreement with the INS that field raids are not to take place until the harvests are in?

Other businesses are slapped with a fine that in no way comes close to making continued hiring of aliens too expensive.

The gangs are a terrible problem and I can understand your concern. If they were in places where my children had played, I would have been very anxious to have them deported. The problem is, you never read about the strong majority of illegal aliens who come here, work like mules and send money back to their families--families like yours and mine, who want the best possible life for their children.

Here in New Mexico there is obviously a huge problem with illegal immigration. Drivng down the highway, they are easy to spot--they are the ones doing back-breaking work in the hottest part of summer. They are the ones who are so tired after a day of brutal physical work, they can't do anything but go to their tents down near the bosque and sleep.

They are not criminals, they, for the most part, are people who are willing to do almost anything for the benefit of their families, willing to take the worst jobs at the least pay, in order to have a little to send back to Mexico. I have never in my life seen harder workers. Where the lazy Mexican myth came from is a puzzle to me. They just don't stop, working hard, long hours. Also, they don't have any protection from employers who cheat them on their promised salary. This is as close to slave labor as anything I've seen in this country.

How many articles have you read about these honest, decent people? Any? How many articles have been published about you and your family saying that you are a good father and that you go to your job for the benefit of your family? It's so bad, good people should be publically thanked for helping to make the world a decent place. How many chsja? I'll be willing to take bets.

Who said anything about laziness? I certainly didn't.

Diane, well said, like the open-hearted and knowledgable lady that you are.

If CJ's BITE was near as bad as his BARK, we'd all be in trouble. I understand his angst as to the gang problem! Problem is, we've got gangs of all kinds of nationalities here, some very brutal!!

I also understand Dianes point! These people ARE slave labor. We have streets lined with illegals in what is called the canal district in San Rafael. These people work for the local construction firms that cruise there early in the morning and pick them up for cheap labor. These are mostly redneck republicans that vote republican and will make the most noise about the taxes they have to pay to support the services for these hardworking people!! They deserve better! I actually think the immigrant worker program has it's merits. It still needs work, but I think it's good we're working on it!!

Anon

Idiocy is as idiocy does. Life is like a box of white chocolates. A rag called a flag is reason enough to treat people like contaminated swine. Etc.

And where has it been determined that the gang members are all illegal or children of illegal immigrants?

Not only do illegal immigrants work for next to nothing, most of the American population would scream bloody murder if their food prices increased to the point where they would need to in order to pay a living wage to the migrant workers.

Totally blocking immigrant ILLEGAL workers would shut down California Agribusiness ... it's already been studied. Last year some crops rotted in the fields when workers struck in protest of these freelance minuteman border guards!

Anon

Uh, there's a big difference between migrant workers here on work visas and illegal aliens. One group followed the rules, the other didn't.

Here's another way to look at it. Say you're standing in line, and someone cuts into the line in front of you. If you aren't upset about that, then you must want them to cut the line.

Watch what happens on May 1. I predict it will only get worse through that week, culminating in a huge protest on May 5. I also suspect the public reaction will be much larger, if not in an "in your face" kind of way.

Help me out here, cj. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what it is that has you so bugdust over this.

They don't have work visas CJ ... they are definitely illegal!!

Anon

Bythe Way CJ,

My brother-in-law and his wife just left Thursday on an 11 day Mexican Cruise out of SF. Going to hit all the coastal towns and shop till they drop. Too bad guy, International Relations and all that!! We have to keep the economies flowing!!

Anon

I'm sure something will be flowing...

But I hope they have a good time.

All they need are Margaritas and a funnel

Anon

The problem with Margaritas in Mexico is the ice.

Peoples labour is a "force of production" Just like a tractor or a or a drill press. So people become a force of production. Peoples labour is a commodity traded as a force of production.

If Corporate America can get unrepresented (No workers rights, No right to vote, No social Security) labor they can get it cheaper. Illegal aliens don't complain, They can't sue you, They can't vote on working conditions.

So why hire the pesky American citizens whos fathers fought wars to secure the rights and representation for future generations.

So the government can't come out and say "American citizens are to expensive and they have to many rights and we don't want to pay social security" They just make sure that the border Is wide open for an invasion of a foreign Labour force because they can't pass a policy that would sell out America so the do it behind their backs.

I have not looked at the guest worker legislation. But I would guess it is the same policy on paper. Which is unrepresented labour in place of represented labour of the American citizen.

This mess was not created by the "Illegal alien" it was created by those Americans that sell out their own country for a buck and it goes all the way to the presidency.

Oh, so "it's all Bush's fault".

Amigo - thanks!

Does anyone know about the legal side of this legislation? Do employees pay taxes? Do the employers have the same responsibilities towards this guest workers as they would towards a citizen workforce?