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Hybrid Car Problem (Interesting One)

 
 
Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 11:45 am
Hi there
could someone help me out with this one


You are considering buying a new car. You have seen a
conventional gasoline gar costing 20k dollars that averages 25 miles per
gallon. You are planning to keep the car for 5 years and drive it 15k miles
each year. You are planning to see a dealer selling a hybrid car that
averages 50 miles per gallon. You are trying to figure out how much more can
you afford to pay for this car and break even assuming that you get an 8%
return on your money. Look at two cases; one for gasoline costing $2/gallon
and another assuming that gasoline is $4/gallon.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 01:22 pm
What remaining value do the cars have at the end of the five-year period? Are you assuming that the selling prices would be the same?
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zedkooky
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 01:32 pm
resale remain the same
resale remain the same

thanx Wink
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 01:46 pm
I get $2395.63 and $4791.25. Assuming I did the math right....

I assumed compounded annually, and that you did not get the benefit of investing your gas savings during the year in which the money was saved.
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markr
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 11:04 pm
I get $1214.91 and $2429.81 with the same assumptions.

delta_price = delta_gas / (1.08^5 + 1)

delta_gas = $3000 and $6000
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engineer
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 01:06 pm
You plan to drive 1250 miles per month, so the gas only is going to run you (1250 miles / 25 mpg)*(G $/gal) or $50G/month where G is the price of a gallon of gas. The hybrid will be $25G/month, so there is a $25G/month savings. From here, it is a standard future value of money problem. The future value of the money you can spend extra is:

PMT * (1+.08/12)^60 where PMT is the extra amount you spend on the hybrid. Note the annual interest rate is converted in a monthly rate.

The future value of the monthly cash stream is $25G is

25G * [(1+.08/12)^60 - 1]/(.08/12)

Crunching numbers and setting them equal,

PMT * 1.49 = 73.5 * 25G
PMT = $1,233 * G

My numbers differ from the other postings in that I assume you can take advantage of the monthly savings, if only to pay down your car payment early.
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engineer
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 01:24 pm
Here is another way to do this that may be more intuitive. Figure out the entire monthly payment for car and gas if you finance the car at 8%.

Payment for gas car = $20K / [(1 - (1+.08/12)^-60 ) / (.08/12)] = $405.53

Since you can pay $25*G more each month on the car by using your gas savings, at $2/gal, you can afford a payment of $455.53. Using the above equation in reverse, you can finance $22,465.92. At $4/gal, you can afford a payment of $505.53. That will support a car price of $24,931.84.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 01:25 pm
OK, I'll include my math this time.

Fuel savings is 300 gallons per year.

Case 1: Gasoline @ $2/gal. This means a savings of $600/year.

End of Year 1: Savings: $600, Invested savings: $0, Total savings to invest for the next year: $600
End of Year 2: Savings: $600, Invested savings: $648, Total savings to invest for the next year: $1248
End of Year 3: Savings: $600, Invested savings: $1347.84, Total savings to invest for the next year: $1947.84
End of Year 4: Savings: $600, Invested savings: $2103.67, Total savings to invest for the next year: $2703.67
End of Year 5: Savings: $600, Invested savings: $2919.96, Total savings: $3519.96

Amount to invest at 8% annual return to equal $3519.96 after 5 years: $2395.63


Repeat calculations for $4/gallon.


Engineer: I took the problem to mean that one is paying cash for the vehicle.
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engineer
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 01:31 pm
Quote:
Engineer: I took the problem to mean that one is paying cash for the vehicle.


It comes out the same way cash or credit. I just thought the payment approach might be easier to see. Your approach is fine by me, you just did stuff yearly and I did it monthly. If I change the formulas I posted to a yearly basis, I would get your answer to the penny.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 01:37 pm
Thx. Good to know, as one contradicts Mark at one's peril....
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engineer
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 02:19 pm
Variations on a theme
Since this post is generating some responses, maybe we should expand it. What if gas is $2/gal today, but is going up 1% per month? How about if your investment returns are taxed at 15% annually?
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 04:23 pm
Laughing
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raprap
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 05:16 pm
And maintenance. Those batteries in a hybrid aren't cheap and they will require some maintenance that isn't required for a conventional automobile.

Remember---When the outflow exceeds in income the upkeep will be the downfall.

Rap
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 05:20 pm
According to Toyota, the batteries are supposed to last as long as the vehicle does. Or so they claim. I drive one now, and so far, so good...
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markr
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 07:52 pm
Perhaps I oversimplified the problem. I solved:

-CarC-GasC+(CarH-CarC)*1.08^5 = -CarH-GasH

Where:
CarC is the cost of the conventional car
CarH is the cost of the hybrid car
GasC is the 5-year cost of gas for the conventional car
GasH is the 5-year cost of gas for the hybrid car
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