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How do people measure the speed of light??? [Help]

 
 
Kasaova
 
Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 01:02 pm
Anyone?
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 01:07 pm
Good question....
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 01:51 pm
They hire me, I run next to it with a stopwatch.
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Kasaova
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 05:24 pm
Seriously. How the hell do you measure speed of light? lasers???
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raprap
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 05:25 pm
he Michelson Morley experiment used a beamsplitting mirror, a late night, a fur piece and a really powerful light source. Of course it was the 1890s but they did it pretty good. Goog enough to figure out the speed of light was constant everywhere in the 'ether'. Of course Einstein solved that knotty problem in another twenty years, and the 'ether' went away.

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Kasaova
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 05:29 pm
raprap wrote:
he Michelson Morley experiment used a beamsplitting mirror, a late night, a fur piece and a really powerful light source. Of course it was the 1890s but they did it pretty good. Goog enough to figure out the speed of light was constant everywhere in the 'ether'. Of course Einstein solved that knotty problem in another twenty years, and the 'ether' went away.

Rap

Thanks.
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geotom
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 02:35 pm
speed of light experiment
The speed of light was measured by rotating mirrors, and was done in 1849 by Armand Fizeau. Look up Fizeau wheel for details.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 03:01 pm
In 1671, Ole Roemer, measured the variations in seasonal orbital appearance of Io from behind Jupiter, and arrived at a calculated speed of 670 000 000 mph.
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bobsmythhawk
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 03:16 pm
Measurement of the speed of light

Isaac Beeckman, a friend of Descartes, proposed an experiment (1629) in which one would observe the flash of a cannon reflecting off a mirror about one mile away. Galileo proposed an experiment (1638), with an apparent claim to have performed it some years earlier, to measure the speed of light by observing the delay between uncovering a lantern and its perception some distance away. Descartes criticised this experiment as superfluous, in that the observation of eclipses, which had more power to detect a finite speed, gave a negative result. This experiment was carried out by the Accademia del Cimento of Florence in 1667, with the lanterns separated by about one mile. No delay was observed. Robert Hooke explained the negative results as Galileo had: by pointing out that such observations did not establish the infinite speed of light, but only that the speed must be very great.

The first quantitative estimate of the speed of light was made in 1676 by Ole Rømer, who was studying the motions of Jupiter's satellite Io with a telescope. It is possible to time the revolution of Io because it is entering/exiting Jupiter's shadow at regular intervals. Rømer observed that Io revolved around Jupiter once every 42.5 hours when Earth was closest to Jupiter. He also observed that, as Earth and Jupiter moved apart, Io's exit from the shadow would begin progressively later than predicted. It was clear that these exit "signals" took longer to reach Earth, as Earth and Jupiter moved further apart, as a result of the extra time it took for light to cross the extra distance between the planets, which had accumulated in the interval between one signal and the next. Similarly, about half a year later, Io's entries into the shadow happened more frequently, as Earth and Jupiter were now drawing closer together. On the basis of his observations, Rømer estimated that it would take light 22 minutes to cross the diameter of the orbit of the Earth (that is, twice the astronomical unit); the modern estimate is closer to 16 minutes and 40 seconds.

Around the same time, the astronomical unit was estimated to be about 140 million kilometres. The astronomical unit and Rømer's time estimate were combined by Christiaan Huygens, who estimated the speed of light to be 1000 Earth diameters per minute. This is about 220,000 kilometres per second (136,000 miles per second), well below the currently accepted value, but still very much faster than any physical phenomenon then known.

Isaac Newton also accepted the finite speed. In his book "Opticks" he, in fact, reports the more accurate value of 16 minutes per diameter, which it seems he inferred for himself (whether from Rømer's data, or otherwise, is not known). The same effect was subsequently observed by Rømer for a "spot" rotating with the surface of Jupiter. And later observations also showed the effect with the three other Galilean moons, where it was more difficult to observe, thus laying to rest some further objections that had been raised.

Even if, by these observations, the finite speed of light may not have been established to everyone's satisfaction (notably Jean-Dominique Cassini's), after the observations of James Bradley (1728), the hypothesis of infinite speed was considered discredited. Bradley deduced that starlight falling on the Earth should appear to come from a slight angle, which could be calculated by comparing the speed of the Earth in its orbit to the speed of light. This "aberration of light", as it is called, was observed to be about 1/200 of a degree. Bradley calculated the speed of light as about 185,000 miles per second (298,000 kilometres per second). This is only slightly less than the currently accepted value. The aberration effect has been studied extensively over the succeeding centuries, notably by Friedrich Georg Wilhelm Struve and Magnus Nyren.
Diagram of the Fizeau-Foucault apparatus.
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Diagram of the Fizeau-Foucault apparatus.

The first successful measurement of the speed of light using an earthbound apparatus was carried out by Hippolyte Fizeau in 1849. Fizeau's experiment was conceptually similar to those proposed by Beeckman and Galileo. A beam of light was directed at a mirror several thousand metres away. On the way from the source to the mirror, the beam passed through a rotating cog wheel. At a certain rate of rotation, the beam could pass through one gap on the way out and another on the way back. But at slightly higher or lower rates, the beam would strike a tooth and not pass through the wheel. Knowing the distance to the mirror, the number of teeth on the wheel, and the rate of rotation, the speed of light could be calculated. Fizeau reported the speed of light as 313,000 kilometres per second. Fizeau's method was later refined by Marie Alfred Cornu (1872) and Joseph Perrotin (1900).

Leon Foucault improved on Fizeau's method by replacing the cogwheel with a rotating mirror. Foucault's estimate, published in 1862, was 298,000 kilometres per second. Foucault's method was also used by Simon Newcomb and Albert A. Michelson. Michelson began his lengthy career by replicating and improving on Foucault's method.

In 1926, Michelson used rotating mirrors to measure the time it took light to make a round trip from Mount Wilson to Mount San Antonio in California. The precise measurements yielded a speed of 186,285 miles per second (299,796 kilometres per second).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 07:25 pm
today, with a surveying GPS (with a time pulse on sender and reciever hooked to the Colo Bureau of Stds clock ) one can mesure (c) since the signal is in the electromag spectra.
Geosynch orbit is just about 22000 mi so the signal should take 0.1181 sec to travel to a reciever.

Ive heard of laser beams shot across known distances in high mountain ranges that can approximate (c) pretty closely.

Measurement of red shift of a beam of known frequency in a common media and then use Beers law. This, I understand, can be done in a high school lab with improvised equipment. (You have to make a pretty good spectrophotometer seems to me)
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g day
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2005 03:22 am
Chocolate mousse, ruler, calculator and a microwave oven without a turntable is the simplest way.

Insert mousse for 20 - 40 seconds in microwave on high.

Remove mousse - measure the distance between the hot spots.

Read the microwave frequency off the back of the oven.

Multiple the frequency by wavelength to get c, i.e. distance between hot spots by frequency.

How hard was that?
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