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Quadratic Equation

 
 
Skyshr
 
Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 03:56 am
f(x) = ax^2 + bx + c
where a, b, c are real and a is not equal to zero

If d, e are the roots of f(x) - x = 0,
how to prove d, e are also the roots of f[f(x)] - x = 0?

This is a question from my homework ... but I don't know how to do it
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vinsan
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 04:44 am
Answer
Facts:

If f(x)-x has roots d,e
then
f(d)-d=0
f(e)-e=0

i.e
f(d) = d ......... EQ I
f(e) = e ......... EQ II

Proof by contradiction

We assume if d,e are roots of f(x)-x=0 then they cannot be roots of f(f(x))-x=0 i.e. f(f(d))-d cannot be 0


Proof:

We have f(f(x))-x = L

putting x as d (or e)

f(f(d))-d=L

f(d)-d = L ... from EQ I

d-d = L .... from EQ I

0 = L

which seesntially proves that the assumption was wrong

So By proof of contradiction d,e are also the roots of f(f(x))-x=0
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raprap
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 06:10 am
d,e are roots of f(x)-x=0
so if x=d,e
f(d)-d=0 & f(d)=d
and
f(e)-e=0 & f(e)=e
so

f[f(d)]=f(d)=d and f[f(e)]=f(e)=e

so if f[f(x)]-x=L
and x=d,e
then
f[f(d)]-d=d-d=L=0
and
f[f(e)]-e=e-e=L=0
and d & e are roots of f[f(x)]-x=0

Contradiction would be to assume that L<>0 and then prove L=0, but if you can prove L=O from deduction you can use the definition of a equation root directly and save an extra step.

Rap
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vinsan
 
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Reply Wed 12 Oct, 2005 11:26 am
raprap wrote:
d,e are roots of f(x)-x=0
so if x=d,e
f(d)-d=0 & f(d)=d
and
f(e)-e=0 & f(e)=e
so

f[f(d)]=f(d)=d and f[f(e)]=f(e)=e

so if f[f(x)]-x=L
and x=d,e
then
f[f(d)]-d=d-d=L=0
and
f[f(e)]-e=e-e=L=0
and d & e are roots of f[f(x)]-x=0

Contradiction would be to assume that L<>0 and then prove L=0, but if you can prove L=O from deduction you can use the definition of a equation root directly and save an extra step.

Rap


You remind me of my Maths Prof... She used to pinpoint things that were not so important Razz

Anyways your approach is proper ... I agree Sir!
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g day
 
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Reply Fri 14 Oct, 2005 05:53 am
Re: Quadratic Equation
Skyshr wrote:
f(x) = ax^2 + bx + c
where a, b, c are real and a is not equal to zero

If d, e are the roots of f(x) - x = 0,
how to prove d, e are also the roots of f[f(x)] - x = 0?


This looks a bit wrongly stated to me, because we are given

f(x) = ax^2 + bx + c and f(x) - x = 0 or stated otherwise f(x) = x, implying a = 0, b = 1 and c = 0, a contradiction!

So if f(x) equals x of course f[f(x)] - x = 0 because f(x) = x so f(f(f(f(x)))) = x so f(f(x)) - x must equal 0.

Knowledge of the roots D and E is superflous when the question is stated so!

The only correct way of asking what you meant would be to say

f(x) = ax^2 + bx + c where a, b, c are real and a is not equal to zero

If d, e are the roots of f(x) - x, prove d, e are also the roots of f[f(x)] - x

* * *

Adding the = 0 as you did technically introduced a contradiction that a was not equal to zero!
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