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Partial derivatives!

 
 
cookiez
 
Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 03:46 pm
Help! Can someone help me out with this question?

Question here

My answer for finding u(superscript x) and u (superscript y) are:

u (x) = x ln (x^2 + y^2)

u (y) = y ln (x^2 + y^2)

i dunno how to prove the sum of the two = 1 Rolling Eyes

** Sorry I dunno how to insert notation in this msg Embarrassed
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 04:08 pm
but that was not the thing to be proven; it was

x u_x + y u_y = 1, or:

(x^2 + y^2) ln (x^2+y^2) = 1
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cookiez
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 04:21 pm
yer sorry I forgot to multiply my answers with the x and y Embarrassed

But anyway, I'm not sure how to approach the proof....can anyone offer any help? Is it just the application of log rules? Rolling Eyes
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 04:31 pm
Well you shouldn't know how to approach the proof, because it is not generally true. Dividing my last equation by x^2+y^2 gets you

ln(x^2+y^2) = 1/(x^2+y^2),

which is certainly not generally true. In the part of the excercise that that you didn't scan, does it say anything about particular values of x and y?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 04:33 pm
Oh, but wait a minute! Your derivatives u_x and u_y are wrong. Can you spot the mistakes? (Hint: The derivative of ln(x) is what?)
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cookiez
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 04:37 pm
oh no...they are wrong? Embarrassed

hmm I dunno I can't seem to spot the mistakes...did I use the wrong method of differentiation? I just applied the chain rule by letting:

1/2 ln (u) where u = x^2 + y^2
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 04:42 pm
Applying the chain rule was correct. The mistake was that you used the wrong derivative of the ln function, which is ... what?
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cookiez
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 04:50 pm
oh oh!! omg i can't believe I derived ln (u) wrong Embarrassed

the correct answer should be:

u (x) = x/(x^2+y^2)

u (y) = y/(x^2+y^2)?
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cookiez
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 04:52 pm
oh oh!! omg i can't believe I derived ln (u) wrong Embarrassed

the correct answer should be:

u (x) = x/(x^2+y^2)

u (y) = y/(x^2+y^2)?

And if you multiply x to u(x) and y to u(y), you get:

x^2/(x^2+y^2) and y^2/(x^2+y^2)

add then add the two together, you get:

x^2 + y^2 / (x^2+y^2) = 1

is that right? Rolling Eyes
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 04:55 pm
That's right. Now you've got it.
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cookiez
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 05:06 pm
ahhh Very Happy Thanks Thomas! If you hadn't pointed out my silly mistake I would have been at the question for ages Embarrassed

Can I just ask one more question?

If f(x,y,z) = xy^2 - yz^2

One of the questions was to verify that f_x_z = f_z_x (first and second partial derivatives)

I thought the answers were really simple so I'm kind of in doubt whether I've been doing it right or not. For the above question, the answer I got for both f_x_z and f_z_x was zero.

And im not sure if that's right Rolling Eyes
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BrianT
 
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Reply Sun 9 Oct, 2005 06:16 pm
cookiez wrote:
ahhh Very Happy Thanks Thomas! If you hadn't pointed out my silly mistake I would have been at the question for ages Embarrassed

Can I just ask one more question?

If f(x,y,z) = xy^2 - yz^2

One of the questions was to verify that f_x_z = f_z_x (first and second partial derivatives)

I thought the answers were really simple so I'm kind of in doubt whether I've been doing it right or not. For the above question, the answer I got for both f_x_z and f_z_x was zero.

And im not sure if that's right Rolling Eyes


That's because f is a low degree polynomial (in 3 variables). What you're being asked to verify is "Clairaut's Theorem." It says the mixed 2nd derivatives will be equal if f is well behaved.
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