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AngeliqueEast
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 10:28 am
farmerman wrote:
Angelique-The melting of continental glaciers was related to the earths orbit and axis. Look up the Croll-Malenkovitch cycles and they can display more than youll need.
Basically the earth' orbit around the sun gets flattened (eccentricity) in a cycle thats about 1-4CK years. Then the axis of rotation has a built in tiny oblique wobble thats about a 41K year max. On top of theis is a 23000 year precession of the axis (which is a super wobble that takes the earth down to about 65degrees to the excliptic) All three of these act to start and stop glaciation by increase or decrease of solar rad. We can see this by measuring excesses of specific oxygen isotopes which are increased in ratio in warmer times as O16 gets driven into the atmosphere and its ratio decreases in colder times because )16 is incorporated into sea water more

If you put either cRoll-Milankovitch or just try Milankovitch cycles into google you should get a ton of stuff.

Glacial melting today is a t a max Milenkovitch wobble cycle and the atmospheric content as "supposedly" man induced is still (as far as Im concerned) not a slam dunk proven issue. Id better leave before I get pilloried by the clean air contingent


Thanks Farmerman, I will look this up.
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John Jones
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 02:49 pm
AngeliqueEast wrote:
farmerman wrote:
Angelique-The melting of continental glaciers was related to the earths orbit and axis.

Glacial melting today is a t a max Milenkovitch wobble cycle and the atmospheric content as "supposedly" man induced is still (as far as Im concerned) not a slam dunk proven issue. Id better leave before I get pilloried by the clean air contingent


Thanks Farmerman, I will look this up.


Why not wait like the rest of us until you're buried under it.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 04:30 pm
I will admit to having a tendency to think jj's last post was not altogether as daft as it might seem at first sight.
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AngeliqueEast
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 11:39 pm
Quote John Jones:
"Why not wait like the rest of us until you're buried under iWhy not wait like the rest of us until you're buried under it."

Quote Spendius:
"I will admit to having a tendency to think jj's last post was not altogether as daft as it might seem at first sight"

Why not? Because the same need that you JJ, and SP have to ask questions, and debate others is the same need I have. Only I ask, I don't debate.

JJ, who is to say who will be buried under it or not when the time comes, and if it will happen in our life time. The hell with it, we should not care?

I could say the same thing to both of you, why ask so many questions, and debate? But, your need is understandable, and it's your right to ask, and do whatever you please. Oops did I say rights? Don't start another debate on rights, we just had one k. :wink:

Gentlemen, can we please end this here, I have more important things to do, and this is not educational. After all this is a learning forum, right?

Thanks Smile
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 03:48 am
Angel-

I think JJ's post was intended so that people reading it might learn a modicum of humility and get a slight grasp on the inconsequentialty of individuals. And it is difficult to think of anything more valuable to learn than that in a world where we are assailed by advertising sending the opposite message.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 10:19 am
In Maine, (and all over New England) there are huge mountains of pure sand, called 'eskers" caused by dirty meltwater washing into big cracks in the continental glaciers and the sand depositing in the bottoms of the cracks. The fact that some of these hills are 100M high gives one an idea of how thick the glaciers were.
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John Jones
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 11:37 am
farmerman wrote:
In Maine, (and all over New England) there are huge mountains of pure sand, called 'eskers" caused by dirty meltwater washing into big cracks in the continental glaciers and the sand depositing in the bottoms of the cracks. The fact that some of these hills are 100M high gives one an idea of how thick the glaciers were.


Dirty meltwater is not a problem to the Welsh, who bathe regularly in stinking bathwater and then use it to patch up the cracks in their mud-thatch hovels.
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John Jones
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 11:44 am
AngeliqueEast wrote:


Gentlemen, can we please end this here, I have more important things to do, and this is not educational. After all this is a learning forum, right?

Thanks Smile


Learning... forever learning... but on a forum..?
Funny, in the past a few of us protested when we found that looking after the disabled in their own homes meant teaching them how to do things so that they could get some sort of handle on their learning difficulty. The prospect of being taught till you die, of all activities being placed under a learning framework, seemed monstrous.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 02:38 pm
farmerman wrote:
In Maine, (and all over New England) there are huge mountains of pure sand, called 'eskers" caused by dirty meltwater washing into big cracks in the continental glaciers and the sand depositing in the bottoms of the cracks. The fact that some of these hills are 100M high gives one an idea of how thick the glaciers were.


I've seen lots of stone walls, but no "Eskers". Are there any notable eskers in southern NH?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 03:22 pm
There are esker and kame deposits in S New Hampshire. I cant give directions but, if you head east into the Raqngeleys and then to Bethel Maine, there are manyof these features . Most of them are nearer the ocean .
Theres a series of well written popular (but well researched) geology books by Mountain Press Publishing(Ibeleiev they are in Missoula Montana) They have a series of soft cover field guides called "The Roadside Geology Series"
Theres a Roadside Geology of Maine < And a joint set of "Roadside Geology of Vermont and New Hampshire"
Im aware of an end moraine down near the Manchester-Dover areas. (They dug a lot of gravel out of these moraines, and found a couple of mastodons in peat bogs.
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fishin
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 03:33 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
I've seen lots of stone walls, but no "Eskers". Are there any notable eskers in southern NH?


There is a fairly sizeable esker on the grounds of the Harvard Rod & Gun Club in Harvard, MA. All of the local universities drag their geology students out there so I get called to let them in.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 03:36 pm
you cant fence in yer fishies. They must be free. Ill bet the water is sort of a nice tea color
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fishin
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 03:40 pm
lol No fences needed for the fishies. The Harvard Rod & Gun club only has a tiny little pond. Smile Teh members go there for the shooting anyway. I've never ever heard any of the members discussing fishing.
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AngeliqueEast
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 04:13 pm
farmerman wrote:
In Maine, (and all over New England) there are huge mountains of pure sand, called 'eskers" caused by dirty meltwater washing into big cracks in the continental glaciers and the sand depositing in the bottoms of the cracks. The fact that some of these hills are 100M high gives one an idea of how thick the glaciers were.


So then this is old sand, not anything recent.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 04:47 pm
Jeeeeeze.Old sand eh?That's about as boring as boring gets.Old sand.Cripes!
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John Jones
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 04:53 pm
Barry Island's activities are centred around sandy Whitmore Bay and the adjacent pleasure park. Between the two are the gardens and promenade, and the area is filled with attractions, amusements, and all manner of gift shops, food outlets and licensed premises (pubs and bars!)
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 05:02 pm
JJ-

In the "pubs and bars" are there any scuzzers looking to connect with comfort and ease?
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 05:04 pm
Take it away JJ.That's a feeder comics dream of.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 05:22 pm
Angelique-Honestto God, I have nothing todo with either jj or spendius. Im as confused as anyone.
BUT, not unamused.

The sands in eskers are anywhere from 200000k to as little as 8000K years old, depending on how close to the melting front they were.
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AngeliqueEast
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 05:29 pm
farmerman wrote:
Angelique-Honestto God, I have nothing todo with either jj or spendius. Im as confused as anyone.
BUT, not unamused.

The sands in eskers are anywhere from 200000k to as little as 8000K years old, depending on how close to the melting front they were.


Has anything new been recorded anyplace in the world Farmerman?
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