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RK4
 
Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:47 pm
For this proof, I'm defining simple graphs to be graphs where no loops and no multiple edges are allowed between nodes. Then, I want to show that there are exactly 2^(n(n-1)/2) labelled simple graphs on n vertices. How do I go about doing this? Also, how many of these have exactly m edges? Thanks!
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markr
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 10:24 pm
n(n-1)/2 is C(n,2), which is the number of ways of selecting two nodes, which is the number of possible edges.

Raising two to that power is the number of ways of selecting zero to n of those edges.

Take a look at binomial coefficients and Pascal's triangle.
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RK4
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 11:15 pm
markr wrote:
n(n-1)/2 is C(n,2), which is the number of ways of selecting two nodes, which is the number of possible edges.

Raising two to that power is the number of ways of selecting zero to n of those edges.

Take a look at binomial coefficients and Pascal's triangle.


Is that a proof? I think we need to use induction on n to prove this result.
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 11:30 pm
Sure. Why not?

If you MUST use induction, then show that it's true for n=1. Then, assuming it's true for n, calculate how many more graphs can be produced if one more node is added. Then, show that that is equal to 2^((n+1)(n+1-1)/2)
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 07:33 am
So, the proof you've given is a combinatorial one right? What does it have to do with Pascal's triangle. I don't see the connection. Also, how many of these have exactly m edges? Thanks!
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markr
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 01:23 pm
Yes.

If you've got C(n,2) edges to choose from, how many ways can you select m of them? After you figure that out, check out the numbers in the C(n,2)th row of Pascal's triangle (and add them all up).
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RK4
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 07:08 pm
OK cool. I think I see it now. Thank you so much for the time and effort extended.
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RK4
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 07:49 pm
markr wrote:
Yes.

If you've got C(n,2) edges to choose from, how many ways can you select m of them? After you figure that out, check out the numbers in the C(n,2)th row of Pascal's triangle (and add them all up).


OK. I'm confused again...

Can you please show me the whole thing for this part?

Thanks!
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markr
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 10:15 pm
Are you familiar with permutations and combinations? Specifically, do you know how to calculate the number of ways of choosing r items from a set of n items?

In this case, you have C(n,2) (which is n*(n-1)/2) edges to choose from. How many ways can you choose 0, 1, 2, 3, etc edges from this set?
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RK4
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 02:35 am
markr wrote:
Are you familiar with permutations and combinations? Specifically, do you know how to calculate the number of ways of choosing r items from a set of n items?

In this case, you have C(n,2) (which is n*(n-1)/2) edges to choose from. How many ways can you choose 0, 1, 2, 3, etc edges from this set?


There are ( n(n-1)/2 choose m ) ways of selecting m edges from a set of n choose 2 edges.

Right?
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markr
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 09:41 am
Yep.
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RK4
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 07:34 pm
Someone told me that it's 15 choose k.
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markr
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 10:34 pm
Well, if n is 6 and you use 'k' instead of 'm', then it is C(15,k)
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