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Reality of Death

 
 
usn0814
 
Reply Wed 7 May, 2025 02:34 am
I turned 60 a little over a month ago. I have more years of life behind me than ahead. The aches of arthritis joint pain is a rude awakening. My body does not feel the same as I did 40 years ago.

The big picture for me is physical death. If I am lucky, I have about 30 years left on this planet. It's hard for me to even type these words without getting emotional.

Death is the great equalizer. Death is a mystery. Death is scary. Obviously, we can go at any time before the age of 60 but normally younger people are further away from the graveyard than someone my age. When people say that they are not afraid of death, of the great unknown, they are full of poop.

If you are 60 or older, do you think about death more often than you should? Do you worry about it? The thought that my body will rot in the grave is not pleasant. What do you say?
 
steve reid
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2025 01:03 pm
I'm pushing 70 and have a couple of medical problems which are gradually degrading my quality of life. I don't worry about death but I do think about it more now than when I was young. When young death seemed too far in the future to think about, now as a near 70 year old the finishing line is coming into view. While I do fear the process of dying it is irrelevant to me what happens to my body afterwards.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2025 03:43 pm
Per Tuli Kupferburg -
Carpe diem
Carpe diem
Carpe diem
Carpe diem
Sing cuckoo sing
Death is a comin in
Sing cuckoo sing
Death is a comin in
Death is a comin in
Death is a comin in
Death is a comin in
Death is a comin in
Carpe diem
Carpe diem
Carpe diem
Carpe diem
Sing children sing
Death is a comin in
Sing children sing
Death is a comin in
You can't outthink the angel of death
Sing cuckoo sing
You can't outdrink the angel of death
Sing cuckoo sing
Death is a comin in
Death is a comin in
Death is a comin in
Death is a comin in
Sing children sing
Sing children sing
Sing children sing
Sing children sing

Sing lover sing
Death is a comin in
Sing lover sing
Death is a comin in
You can't outwalk the angel of death
Sing cuckoo sing
You can't outtalk the angel of death
Sing cuckoo sing
It's an old clich?? that it's an old clich??
But you better make your love today
Death is a comin in
Death is a comin in
Death is a comin in
Death is a comin in

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2025 05:03 pm
@usn0814,
I get the impression you're having a crisis of faith.

I don't know if this is the best place to discuss it, there's a few evangelicals and some atheists who can't help but mock.

You may wish to talk to someone at your church, or if church is the problem look elsewhere.

Just because some holy man/sect says something doesn't mean it's true, and just because you've noticed flaws in your religion doesn't mean it's all wrong.

The Seeker by The Who.

I've looked under chairs
I've looked under tables
I've tried to find the key
To fifty million fables
They call me The Seeker
I've been searching low and high
I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die
I asked Bobby Dylan
I asked The Beatles
I asked Timothy Leary
But he couldn't help me either
They call me The Seeker
I've been searching low and high
I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die
People tend to hate me
'Cause I never smile
As I ransack their homes
They want to shake my hand
Focusing on nowhere
Investigating miles
I'm a seeker
I'm a really desperate man
I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die
I learned how to raise my voice in anger
Yeah, but look at my face, ain't this a smile?
I'm happy when life's good
And when it's bad I cry
I've got values but I don't know how or why
I'm looking for me
You're looking for you
We're looking in at other
And we don't know what to do
They call me The Seeker
I've been searching low and high
I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die
I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die

Songwriters: Peter Townshend
jespah
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2025 07:45 pm
@izzythepush,
For a different view.

Cardinal by Kasey Musgraves

Quote:
I saw the sign or an omen
On the branches in the mornin'
It was right after I
Lost a friend without warnin'

Words unsaid
Scarlet-red

Cardinal
Are you bringin' me a message from the other side?
Cardinal
Are you tellin' me I'm on somebody's mind?
Don't leave me behind

I took a walk in the city
To clear my head for a moment
Turned my collar to the wind
On the street, it was blowin'

And there he was above my head

Cardinal
Are you bringin' me a message from the other side?
Cardinal
Are you tellin' me I'm on somebody's mind?
Don't leave me behind

Are you just watchin' and waitin' for spring?
Do you have some kind of magic to bring? (Pretty bird)
Are you just watchin' and waitin' for spring? (Are you just watchin' and waitin'?)
Do you have some kind of magic to bring? (Watchin', waitin')
(Do you have some kind of magic?) (pretty bird)
Are you just watchin' and waitin' for spring? (Are you just watchin' and waitin'?)
Do you have some kind of magic?

Cardinal
Are you bringin' me a message from the other side?
Cardinal
Are you tellin' me I'm on somebody's mind?
Cardinal
Are you bringin' me a message from the other side?
Cardinal
Are you tellin' me I'm on somebody's mind?
Are you bringin' me a message from the other side?
Cardinal



Do I think of death? Sure, I think we all do, to some extent. The older I get, the more it informs my writing.
laughoutlood
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2025 11:59 pm
@usn0814,
"How well do you think I am?" he said, I said, "Well, I didn't know"
He said, "I turned the big six o about a month ago"
I was sittin' in my loungeroom pourin' over A2K
When this old US Navy man was having quite the say
There wasn't anyone around, 'cept this old man and me
The usual participants were catchin' up on Z
Very welcome, he sat down and started with some lines
On old dogs, retirement and what was on his mind


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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 8 May, 2025 02:58 am
@jespah,
I forgot cardinals were birds in America.

I thought you were talking clerics.
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Seizan
 
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Reply Fri 9 May, 2025 04:36 pm
@usn0814,
In two months I’ll be 72. I think in terms of 20 or more years to come, and look back on what I have accomplished so far. I don’t think so much about death as about what I can do with the time I have left.

No regrets; everything that happened (or didn’t) led to what I am doing now, and an opportunity to consider how the road ahead can be paved.

There is no roadmap for this. I like the old saying that a map is where others have already been, so look at the map, then go in another direction. Seek the empty places where the label says “Here there be dragons”.

When the pandemic hit, I was 66. Many passed on, a few I knew or even taught. I thought a bit more about the brevity of life and what is left behind when we go.

To fulfill a promise that I made to my teacher decades prior, I started to write books. I decided to leave something behind that could possibly benefit those to come. Houses and such crumble or get torn down, one-of-a-kind artworks decay, get destroyed, or lost, music falls out of favor, but a book lasts for generations (I won’t say forever).

Since my first publication in 2021, I have written and published 7 books, most of them about the history, philosophies, and concepts of the old Chinese-Okinawan karate system I have been training and teaching since 1974. My apprentices and I have dug and found so much more history and meaning to share than anyone has ever put together to date. 95% of this research is stuff that no one has ever found, dusted off, and correlated to present an increasingly comprehensive record of development for this system. The first 3 books are from 450 to near 600 pages in length with photos, scans of official historical documents, and interviews. I am currently writing the 4th volume of that series (it’s only about 360 pages at this time, awaiting more interviews and photos from our sources in China). In between major publications, I wrote a Young Student’s Guide that was #1 in Martial Arts Book for Children for 2 weeks, and has been in the top 100 on Amazon for nearly 2 months. It has since been translated into 6 other languages, and I am currently writing Young Student’s Guide Book 2. I also wrote a book about cats, a book explaining daily-life application of karate concepts for non-karate people, and helped my wife write her book for our grandchild.

It feels wonderful to not think about “leaving the world”, but more about “leaving something behind for the world”. Yes, my target audience is small (pretty much restricted to the practitioners of this system, MA book collectors, and my descendents). I have no grandiose delusions of being “famous” or such, but I feel the satisfaction of knowing absolutely that my parents, especially my father (who was a printer and helped hand-set the type for the Encyclopedia Americana in the 1950’s), would feel proud.

Plus – writing is just plain FUN! I enjoy the excitement I feel when I think of a new essay or chapter, or find another piece of history to polish up for the next book. It wakes me up early, and sometimes keeps me up late at the keyboard. And I love explaining things simply and easily for children – even the most complex idea or concept can be explained simply enough for a young child to understand.

Physically, there are some concerns of course. I am still quite active in the dojo (karate school that I own here on Okinawa), and have achieved positions of prestige in my society. But I watch my step and turn corners a bit more carefully than 20 years ago. I walk carefully on wet surfaces. I avoid injuries and bruising by using more skill and deception than brute force and conditioning. I don’t clash physically, emotionally, or spiritually in an effort to test or prove skill and strength (actually, I never did). Medically, I am in good shape for my age—heart, lungs, and other internal wobbly stuff all in good condition. I don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and my weight has been consistent for decades, though my wife grumbles at me over the extra piece of cake, or the Sunday afternoon cup of vanilla ice cream. I have some of the expected aches and little pains that go with my age, but they just seem to go away when I see others who have had a much harder life.

There will be further slow decline, and a gradual winding down of the life spring (unless that ol’ Mitsubishi truck hits me on my way across the street). But the best that can happen is that I see another 20 to 30 years of production that will help others even after I’m gone, and the worse may be that Death proves to be no more than a mid-thought interruption, which will just make me grouchy.

And so far, despite what is said by the holy men, the wise, the charlatans, and the fools – no one knows what comes next. I mean, we didn’t know what came next when we were all happy and content in the womb. I am sure we thought we were dying when all that came to an end and we were born. And we can’t tell unborn children that all will be well, so no one who is gone ahead can tell us that, either…

Expect the best, and look forward to having fun.

Look for dragons.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 9 May, 2025 06:03 pm
@Seizan,
The system allows one star. But I'm giving you five.
Seizan
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2025 02:28 am
@edgarblythe,
I count yours as high praise indeed, and I am greatly honored, sir.
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