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The Podium of Solutions for the City of New Orleans

 
 
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 02:14 pm
BBB
I don't know if this has been suggested before on this long thread.

Why don't we move the displaced people who don't have relatives to move in with to the many military bases that have been closed but are still in liveable condition with some sprucing up.

I know volunteers could quickly clean and paint military housing for people to live in. The infra structure is still there or could easily be activated.

Anyone know how many bases in the South East could offer such housing?

BBB
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 02:30 pm
Interesting idea. Devil is in the details though. My company is involved in taking down old structurtes in Camp Polk in Louisiana now. Most of it vacant for over thirty years. From what I have seen it would be easier to start over in an open space. Offhand I don't know of any recently occupied bases in the New Orleans area that weren't likely as devastated by the storm as was The Big Easy. There is an old Naval Air Station just west of the city, but I understand it was flooded too. England AFB near Baton Rouge is a possibility.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 02:35 pm
George
georgeob1 wrote:
Interesting idea. Devil is in the details though. My company is involved in taking down old structurtes in Camp Polk in Louisiana now. Most of it vacant for over thirty years. From what I have seen it would be easier to start over in an open space. Offhand I don't know of any recently occupied bases in the New Orleans area that weren't likely as devastated by the storm as was The Big Easy. There is an old Naval Air Station just west of the city, but I understand it was flooded too. England AFB near Baton Rouge is a possibility.


Thanks. George. Another reasing for considering such an idea is that it could give the young and healthy evacuees something worth while to do in fixing up military housing. Maybe they could even learn some construction skills under supervision in the process. A win-win situatioin.

BBB
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 04:34 pm
I do agree with that. It is important to involve the people themselves in both the short and long-term restoration programs, both for reasons of cost and in recognition of the freedom and intentions of the people themselves.

In the long run, I believe there are large areas of Northern New Orleans that should not be rebuilt at all. It is a natural floodplane and lake bed.
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2005 12:42 am
BBB:
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In a CNN interview a few minutes ago, both the head of FEMA and the head of National Security admitted that they didn't know about the plus 10,000 people stranded in the convention center without food or water until Friday night.


I haven't read this whole thread, so I apologize if this has been mentioned already.

I saw something on TV about a guy who had 500 airboats and volunteers to drive them on Tuesday, the day after the storm hit NO. FEMA turned him away, saying they couldn't accept volunteers at that time, they would have to go through contracting him and would have to pay for his services.

Has anyone else heard about this?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2005 12:45 am
straycat
straycat, another example of bureaucrats gone mad. Can't change the rules to save lives.

BBB
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2005 12:52 am
True! A disaster like that, and they're worried about red tape!!
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Endymion
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 05:17 am
What I can not understand is why, as soon as the disaster happened, Bush didn't bring in a General to oversee the operation. I've read all about Dunkirk and how no less than 338,000 British and French troops were rescued, and that was under enemy fire!

Now, if Bush had opened his ranch to the needy and encouraged other rich folks with land in the area to do the same, brought in tents, had a General arrange the evacuation, accepted offers of help (such as Canada's specialist rescue crews).... many lives might have been saved. No. Would have been saved.

Here are some Americans who realised the truth of this:


3 Duke students tell of 'disgraceful' scene

By Ray Gronberg / The Herald-Sun

DURHAM -- A trio of Duke University sophomores say they drove to New Orleans late last week, posed as journalists to slip inside the hurricane-soaked city twice, and evacuated seven people who weren't receiving help from authorities.

The group, led by South Carolina native Sonny Byrd, say they also managed to drive all the way to the New Orleans Convention Center, where they encountered scenes early Saturday evening that they say were disgraceful.

"We found it absolutely incredible that the authorities had no way to get there for four or five days, that they didn't go in and help these people, and we made it in a two-wheel-drive Hyundai," said Hans Buder, who made the trip with his roommate Byrd and another student, David Hankla.

Buder's account -- told by cell phone Sunday evening as the trio neared Montgomery, Ala., on their way home -- chronicled a three-day odyssey that began when the students, angered by the news reports they were seeing on CNN, loaded up their car with bottled water and headed for the Gulf coast to see if they could lend a hand.

The trio say they left Durham about 6 p.m. Thursday and reached Montgomery about 12 hours later. After catching 1½ hours of sleep, they reached the coast at Mobile. From there, they traveled through the Mississippi cities of Biloxi and Gulfport.

They say they elected to keep going because it seemed like Mississippi authorities had things well in hand.

Pushing on, they passed through Slidell, La., and tried to get into New Orleans by a couple of routes. Each time, police and National Guard troops turned them away. By 2 p.m. they'd wound up in Baton Rouge.

Stopping first at a Red Cross shelter and then at offices of a Baton Rouge TV station, WAFB, they eventually made their way to the campus of Louisiana State University. By 8 p.m. Friday they were working as volunteers in an emergency assistance area set up inside LSU's indoor track arena.

The students worked until about 2 a.m. Saturday, then slept on the floor of a dorm room. When they awoke, they went back to the TV station, which was hosting what Buder termed "a distribution center" for supplies.

At 2 p.m., the trio decided to head for New Orleans, Buder said. After looking around, they swiped an Associated Press identification and one of the TV station's crew shirts, and found a Kinko's where they could make copies of the ID.

They were stopped again by authorities at the edge of New Orleans, but this time were able to make it through.

"We waved the press pass, and they looked at each other, the two guards, and waved us on in," Buder said.

Inside the city, they found a surreal environment.

"It was wild," Buder said. "It really felt like it was 'Independence Day,' the movie."

The trio dodged downed trees and power lines until they happened upon Magazine Street, which runs in a semi-circle around the city parallel to and about four blocks north of the Mississippi River.

They stopped to give water to a 15-year-old boy sitting beside the road holding a sign that said "Need Water/Food," then went to the convention center.

The evacuation was basically complete by the time they arrived, at about 6:30 or 6:45 p.m. What the trio saw there horrified them.

"The only way I can describe this, it was the epicenter," Buder said. "Inside there were National Guard running around, there was feces, people had urinated, soiled the carpet. There were dead bodies. The smell will never leave me."

Buder said the students saw four or five bodies. National Guard troopers seemed to be checking the second and third floors of the building to try to secure the site.

"Anyone who knows that area, if you had a bus, it would take you no more than 20 minutes to drive in with a bus and get these people out," Buder said. "They sat there for four or five days with no food, no water, babies getting raped in the bathrooms, there were murders, nobody was doing anything for these people. And we just drove right in, really disgraceful. I don't want to get too fired up with the rhetoric, but some blame needs to be placed somewhere."

By about 7 p.m., the students made their way back to the boy on Magazine Street. He directed them to some people "who really needed to get out." The resulting evacuation began at a house at the corner of Magazine and Peniston streets.

The first group included three women and a man. The students climbed into the front seats of the four-door Hyundai, and the evacuees filled the back seat. They left the city and headed back to Baton Rouge. There they deposited the man at the LSU medical center and took the women to dinner. The women later found shelter with relatives, and the students got about four hours' sleep inside the LSU chapel.

At 6:30 a.m. Sunday, they made their second run into New Orleans, returning to the house at Magazine and Peniston streets. This time they picked up three men and headed back to Baton Rouge. Two of the men were the husbands of two of the women evacuated the night before. The students reunited them with their wives and put the two families on a bus for Texas.

www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=3990

When I read this article I thought - Good for them. They're just kids, but they know right from wrong, and leaving people to rot is wrong!
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Endymion
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 05:23 am
Barbara Bush: Things Working Out "Very Well" for Poor Evacuees from New Orleans

By E&P Staff / Editor & Publisher

NEW YORK -- Accompanying her husband, former President George H.W.Bush, on a tour of hurricane relief centers in Houston, Barbara Bush said today, referring to the poor who had lost everything back home and evacuated, "This is working very well for them."

The former First Lady's remarks were aired this evening on National Public Radio's "Marketplace" program.

She was part of a group in Houston today at the Astrodome that included her husband and former President Bill Clinton, who were chosen by her son, the current president, to head fundraising efforts for the recovery. Sen. Hilary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama were also present.

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost everyone I've talked to says we're going to move to Houston."

Then she added: "What I'm hearing is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=3987

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Who is this f*cking woman? Is she sane?
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Endymion
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 05:35 am
Here's a final page from MM's site. For those who want to do something real and possitive to help:



Here's How You Can Make an Immediate Difference in Louisiana ...a message from Michael Moore

Friends,

There is much to be said and done about the manmade annihilation of New Orleans, caused NOT by a hurricane but by the very specific decisions made by the Bush administration in the past four and a half years. Do not listen to anyone who says we can discuss all this later. No, we can't. Our country is in an immediate state of vulnerability. More hurricanes and other disasters are on the way, and a lazy bunch of self-satisfied lunatics are still running the show.

So, in the next few days, I will write to you about what must be done about Bush and Co.

But today I want you to join with me in bypassing the colossally inept and incompetent Bush administration and get help DIRECTLY to the people of the New Orleans area -- right now.

A lot of you have written me to ask what you can do. Many don't know who to trust. Many want to do more than write a check. You are right to think that writing checks to relief agencies will not get water and aid to people in the next 48 hours. Checks will be needed later and can be written later.

I have a way, though, for each and every one of us to do something today that can affect people's lives TODAY.

For the past few days I've been working with a group that, I guarantee you, will get direct aid to the people who need it most.

Cindy Sheehan, the brave woman who dared to challenge Mr. Bush at his summer home, has now sent her Camp Casey from in front of Bush's ranch to the outskirts of New Orleans. The Veterans for Peace have taken all the equipment and staff of volunteers and set up camp in Covington, Louisiana, on the shores of Lake Pontchartrain. They are accepting materials and personally distributing them to those in need and have been going into New Orleans on a daily basis.

This is where we come in. We need to ship supplies to them immediately. Today they need the following:

Bottled Water (and lots of it!), baby diapers, baby wipes, baby formula, Pedialyte, baby items in general, powder, lotion, handy wipes, sterile gloves, electrolytes, LARGE cans of veggies, school supplies, paper plates, paper towels, toilet paper, and anything else to lift people's spirits.

You can ship these items by following the instructions on VFPRoadTrips.org. Or you can deliver them there in person. The roads to Covington are open. Their address is:

Volunteer Kitchen, Food Bank and Distribution Center
Pine View Middle School
1115 West 28th Avenue Covington, LA.
70434

Here's how to get there. You can drop them off or you can stay and participate (if you stay, you'll be camping so bring your own tent and gear and mosquito spray).

If you can't ship these items or go there in person, then go to VFPRoadTrips.org and make an immediate donation through PayPal. Camp Casey-Covington will have immediate access to this cash and can buy the items themselves from stores that are open in Louisiana (all donations to Veterans for Peace, are tax deductible).

Each day I will post up-to-the minute information as to what is needed and the progress Camp Casey is making. Please visit MichaelMoore.com often and do what you can to help.

Many other groups are also doing good work. MoveOn.org has set up a system for people to offer rooms in their homes to the survivors.

There is no time to waste. People are suffering and dying. Each of us can do something. There is no other alternative.

Thank you in advance for your help. Tomorrow, we will take care of the other work we need to do about the ideologically hamstrung incompetents in charge.

Yours,
Michael Moore
[email protected]
www.MichaelMoore.com
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 09:18 am
Yo Endymion...

...are you by any chance originally from New Orleans...or do you have connections there of some kind.

"Endymion" is the largest of the Krewes that allow New Orleans Mardi Gras to be New Orleans Mardi Gras.
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Endymion
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 01:28 pm
Hi Frank,

Funny you should ask...
Only the other day, I got told that I had named myself after a Greek God.
(We don't study ancient history here in highschool - a real pity.)

Again I will have to admit that I got Endymion from the title of a Dan simmons SF novel ENDYMION (it's not bad - nothing as good as Pohl, but not bad).

My only connection to New Orleans is music. I'm a bass player myself and although I'm into Drum and Bass and dance music (electronica), I greatly admire the early Jazz musicians.

If I had one chance to go back in time and see any band in history, it would be King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band.

Cool Yeahhhh
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 01:41 pm
ENDYMION wrote:
(We don't study ancient history here in highschool - a real pity.)


Some secundary schools do, though, as I know from the head of history department. :wink:


ENDYMION wrote:
If I had one chance to go back in time and see any band in history, it would be King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band.

Cool Yeahhhh


Baby Dodds on drums has really been excellent - but Bill Johnson on bass? Walter Page would be my favourite (played with Bennie Moten at the age of 18):wink:
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 03:35 pm
Yeah, and Johnny Dodds on clarinet. Didn't Louis Armstrong start out with King Oliver, playing the cornet?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 03:44 pm
He got his first cornet by Oliver, but actually didn't start playing in his band (if I remember correctly seocnds before closing down time here :wink: )
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Endymion
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 03:04 am
http://www.redhotjazz.com/kojb2.jpg
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Endymion
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 03:14 am
1921. Left to right: Ram Hall, Honore Dutrey, King Oliver, Lil Hardin-Armstrong, David Jones, Johnny Dodds, Jimmie Palao, Ed Garland

The woman, Lil Harding-Armstrong, who married Louis, was later divorced from him, but remained a life-long friend and continued to record sporadically up until 1963, often with the old gang of New Orleans/Chicago musicians like Johnny Dodds, Red Allen, Zutty Singleton, Frankie "Half-Pint" Jaxon, Lonnie Johnson, Buster Bailey, Natty Dominque, Lovie Austin, and Sidney Bechet.

Lil kept active in the music business for the rest of her life, although far from the limelight. Strangely enough, she died while taking part in a Louis Armstrong Memorial Concert in Chicago while playing "St. Louis Blues", just two months after Louis had died.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 06:05 am
I hate to contradict you, Walter, but I'm pretty sure that Satchmo did play with Oliver's band at least for a short time before heading up the Mississippi River. Unless memory fails me badly, I think he even recorded a cut or two with the band.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 07:17 am
You are correct, Andrew: Louis played the second cornet in King Oliver's band in 1922-3.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 06:43 am
One of my all-time favorite columnists says:

Blame Game, Race Card
By Molly Ivins
The Daily Camera (Boulder, CO)

Friday 09 September 2005

George W. Bush has come up with his worst idea since he decided to have the military investigate torture by the military at Abu Ghraib prison. He, George W. personally, plans to investigate to "find out what went right and what went wrong" in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

It's hard to guess where Bush will look first, but maybe he should start with the appointment of "Brownie" to head FEMA, the federal disaster relief agency. "Brownie" is Michael Brown, who was appointed by some president.

At the time, Brownie was deputy director of the agency under Joe Allbaugh - because he was Joe Allbaugh's college roommate, you see, and Allbaugh was Bush's campaign manager in 2000, you see, which made both of them qualified to manage disasters.

The FEMA press release announcing Brownie's appointment started with his other obvious qualification, "From 1991 to 2001, Brown was the commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association." It's unclear whether "Brownie" was fired or resigned from the organization in the wake of financial mismanagement and lawsuits.

Hours after Hurricane Katrina made landfall, Brown wrote his boss, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, to ask permission to send 1,000 FEMA employees to the scene to support rescuers and to "convey a positive image" about the government's response. Brownie said he expected the workers to be there two days later. This apparently inspired Bush's comment, "Brownie, you're doing a heckuva job."

FEMA was once considered one of our better federal agencies (those in the government-is-the-enemy camp may not believe this, but some government agencies are actually known for effective performance). Exactly why the right-wing Republicans chose to make FEMA a political football was never clear - but at any rate, going back to the Reagan administration, conservatives have been hacking away at FEMA. They mostly just under-funded it, one of their favorite tactics, unless a hurricane hit Florida just before an election. Sorry to sound boringly partisan, but that is the record, and the Clinton administration did work hard at rebuilding the agency.

So now those on the liberal side are saying: "See, that's what happens when you starve government in order to give rich folks tax cuts. Government agencies can't do the jobs they were set up to do."

Silly liberals see this as vindication that they have been right all along. But the Bush administration officials are in full blame-shifting mode: First, they announced repeatedly they don't want to "play the blame game." Then, they start blaming everybody else.

According to The New York Times, Karl Rove and Dan Bartlett, White House communications director, began a campaign this weekend to blame local and state officials. The "woefully inadequate response," said "sources close to the White House," was the fault of "bureaucratic obstacles from state and local officials."

The bottom line is they're playing the race card. As many of you have noted, it IS a racial issue that poor people suffer most in any natural or economic disaster. Because Katrina hit the Deep South, a great many of the poor people affected are black, especially in New Orleans - both hit hardest and majority black to begin with.

I'm not sure what to say about a cable news station that plays a "loop" of black looters over and over - about 20 seconds of actual footage, replayed for four minutes, while the voiceover dwells on the looting problem. Obviously, there are some looters in New Orleans and elsewhere, and equally obviously, there are lots of people who were without food or water for days.

The exhausted and desperate black mayor of New Orleans begged for help in an interview late last week. "They're feeding the public a line of bull and they're spinning, and people are dying down here," Mayor Ray Nagin said, talking about the feds. "It's politics, man, and they are playing games. ...

"Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here! They're not here! It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and do something, and let's fix the biggest goddamned crisis in the history of this country. People are dying."

The mayor was in tears. I heard two nice, white American "ladies" deploring this interview. "Well! He should remember there might be children listening!" Children still without food and water. What happens to people when they talk about race? Of course, most of us don't actually talk about race any more, we refer to it only indirectly, we talk "those people."

Watch carefully, listen carefully - minority groups have always been blamed after natural disasters, since the days when the Hungarians were supposed to have cut the fingers off bodies to get the gold rings in the wake of the Johnstown Flood. Dirty Bohunks
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