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Elderly woman verbally abuses depressed people

 
 
Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2023 02:36 pm
I know a lady in her 70's from my church who frequently insults and screams at people who she knows suffer from severe mental health conditions like depression and PTSD. I notice she does this to people who she appears to deem shy and passive.

Sometimes she goes off of them in front of 15 other people while her husband, one of the pastors, stands there and watches. Her other relatives basically do nothing as well.

One of her victims told me she has contemplated suicide due to the older lady's passive-aggressive attempts to double down on controlling her each time she stood up for herself.

The irony is that the church preaches humility, kindness etc. and supposedly does not tolerate "screaming and abusive speech," which is part of a quote listed in the Bible. Whenever I bring my concerns to one of the other pastors, they just say, "Oh that's just her personality" or make other excuses or even blame her victims.

I'm thinking of leaving the church because the hypocrisy I often see in there is making me uncomfortable but I know the lady also has depression and other health issues so even though I can't condone her cruel behavior I don't know how much I should hold against her. I feel like I will be the one who is accused of bullying an old lady but the suicide threat really scares me and she seems like she knows to a certain extent what she is doing. This church seems to create a breeding ground in which narcissists and sociopaths are allowed to excel.
 
Coconuts75
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2023 02:46 pm
Try to remember she's in her 70s. She kind of has a free pass, and has earned her right to act that way lol.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2023 02:49 pm
@Coconuts75,
No, she hasn't earned that, or anything else.
Mame
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2023 04:34 pm
@Coconuts75,
There's no excuse for any kind of harassment, bullying, or abuse no matter the age.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2023 09:19 pm
She may be displaying depression and the beginnings of dementia herself.
cherrie
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2023 09:37 pm
@Truesigma,
I really think it's time to find a new church.

She's not going to change and no-one there is going to do anything about it. She may well have some mental health issues but that doesn't mean you have to put up with this sort of abuse.
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cherrie
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2023 09:40 pm
@Coconuts75,
Coconuts75 wrote:

Try to remember she's in her 70s. She kind of has a free pass, and has earned her right to act that way lol.


This is absolute nonsense. Being in your 70's doesn't mean you can go around abusing people.

No-one has a 'right' to do this.
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RPhalange
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2023 08:21 am
@Truesigma,
Have you ever tried to intervene when this lady begins her bullying behavior? To me, you are as guilty as everyone else if you do not step up and say something when this happens. You can do this kindly understanding this 70 year old may have issues. You can step in and say something like why are you talking to Sammy that way. You know Sammy is really nice and this is hurtful words to her.

Of course she is going to continue acting this way because everyone just ignores it, but she is hurting others. If this 70 year old was whacking someone over the head with her cane you would stop her, right? This is no different, as it is and can be just as hurtful as if she were physically harming someone.

Sometimes it just takes one person to step up and say something before others do as well.

Oh and have you brought up the fact that one of the pastor's church members contemplated suicide as a result of this "harmless" lady's words?

And yeah I would leave the church and invite those that are bullied to go with you.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2023 08:59 am
Again: She may be displaying depression and the beginnings of dementia herself. She may need help.
Truesigma
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2023 07:19 pm
@RPhalange,
I did do that multiple times but it only made matters worse. The church often uses emotional blackmailing tactics such as telling us we will burn in hell forever if we don't forgive her and if we leave. Her family also ganged up on me in her defense, making me the villain and pretty much threatening my own well-being. It looks like that whole group is rife with narcissists and enablers. I think one of the reasons the members have this hear-no-evil-see-no-evil approach is because it's the way they get brainwashed. Leaving is complicated because the other depressed individuals she abuses has family members in the church.
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Truesigma
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2023 07:22 pm
@roger,
I think Coconut is just joking.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2023 08:28 pm
@Truesigma,
Izzat right?
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FearlessDiva
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2023 10:30 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
What are the signs or early signs of dementia?
FearlessDiva
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2023 10:54 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
She might need help but she needs to be polite and ask in a peaceful manner.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2023 08:41 pm
@FearlessDiva,
Please reread your post. You are asking a sick person to be un-sick enough to ask for help.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2023 08:48 pm
@FearlessDiva,
You ought to look into obtaining a search engine. It will prove very handy.


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Memory Loss & 10 Early Signs of Alzheimer's | alz.org
One of the most common signs of Alzheimer's disease, especially in the early stage, is forgetting recently learned information.

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Symptoms of dementia - NHS
Common early symptoms of dementia Different types of dementia can affect people differently, and everyone will experience symptoms in their own way. However, there are some common early symptoms that may appear some time before a diagnosis of dementia. These include: memory loss difficulty concentrating

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Memory loss: When to seek help - Mayo Clinic
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Early Signs of Dementia Checklist - Verywell Mind
Feb 4, 2022Confusion, memory loss, and personality changes are just a few of the early signs that a person has dementia, an umbrella term describing the symptoms of several different brain disorders that can interfere with one's ability to live independently.

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The 10 warning signs of dementia | Alzheimer Society of Canada
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Truesigma
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2023 10:02 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I know she isn't well but it still doesn't give her a right to take it out on people who she is conscious is already hurting. It's very difficult for me to have sympathy for her when she acts like an animal.
Merliah
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2023 12:19 am
@bobsal u1553115,
BS. We all have problems, it doesn't mean she gets to abuse others to feel better. If someone commits suicide because she is nasty to depressed people she needs to be accountable.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2023 08:08 am
@Truesigma,
Quote:
I know she isn't well but it still doesn't give her a right to take it out on people who she is conscious is already hurting. It's very difficult for me to have sympathy for her when she acts like an animal.


Seems to give to give you the right to judge her ill self.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2023 08:11 am
@Merliah,
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BS. We all have problems, it doesn't mean she gets to abuse others to feel better. If someone commits suicide because she is nasty to depressed people she needs to be accountable.


So you decide who's illness is a burden and who's illness is a nuisance. Situational ethics trump unconditional love, right?
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