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Sat 23 Apr, 2022 09:50 pm
Which of the thirteen tribes of Israel did Jesus belong to?
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Theo202
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 12:26 am
@The Anointed,
Judah, since get was a figurative son of David.
The Anointed
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 12:59 am
@Theo202,
Jesus was a genetic descendant of both Judah and Levi, High Priest and King.

The genealogy of Jesus according to Luke has Jesus as a direct descendant of Nathan the son of Uriah the Hittite and Bathsheba of the tribe of Levi, who was adopted by King David after he had Uriah killed.
Theo202
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 01:33 am
@The Anointed,
Luke's actual genealogy stops at Joseph, so there's no support for him being a genetic descendant of Judah.

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
Luke 3:23
The Anointed
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 03:17 am
@Theo202,
Luke 3:23; (KJV) And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli. The (AS WAS SUPPOSED) in brackets, was a later interpolation by those who would have you believe the false teaching of the so-called virgin birth.

In the different translations of the KJV into Arabic, Afrikaan, Zulu, etc and even some of the more modern English translations, such as the Good News Catholic Study Edition Bible, the words (As was supposed) have been retained, but the brackets are removed, thus by, making those words appear to be the declaration of Luke, while the serious biblical student know that they were not written by Luke, but were a later interpolation and a corruption of the Holy Scriptures, by those Christians, who refuse to accept that Jesus was not a God who became a man, but a man, born of human parents, who was later CHOSEN by the Lord our savior ‘The Son of Man,’ as his heir and successor, and who was given divine glory, as revealed in Acts 3: 13; where it is said that the God of our ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, has given divine glory to his servant Jesus etc.

Joseph the son of Heli/Alexander Helios III, should not be confused with Joseph the son of Jacob, who married the already pregnant Mary.
Theo202
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 04:15 am
@The Anointed,
Yes, the story of the virgin birth isn't well supported, the role of servant is significant, and the genealogies of Matthew and Luke are inconsistent.

But the role of servant extends to the plan of salvation:
I, even I, am YHWH; and beside me there is no saviour. Isaiah 43:11

But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman ; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
Zechariah 13:5 (KJV)

ואמר לא נביא אנכי איש עבד אדמה אנכי כי אדם הקנני מנעורי

say not prophet i am man servant ground/land i am because man sold from my youth
The Anointed
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 05:23 am
@Theo202,
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Yes, the story of the virgin birth isn't well supported,


It's definitely not supported by scripture, there is no way on this God's earth that Isaiah 7: 14; was referring to a pregnant virgin.

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the role of servant is significant,


It certainly was significant, Jesus was the prophet that "I AM" was referring to, when in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; He says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will surely punish, etc.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when, concerning the man Jesus, he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people. You are to obey everything that he tells you to do. Anyone who does not obey that prophet shall be separated from God's people and destroyed.’

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised Moses that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

What was your purpose in quoting Zechariah 13: “When that time comes,” says the LORD Almighty, “a fountain will be opened to purify the descendants of David and the people of Jerusalem from their sin and idolatry. At that time I will remove the names of the idols from the land, and no one will remember them any more. I will get rid of anyone who claims to be a prophet and will take away the desire to worship idols. Then if anyone still insists on prophesying, his own father and mother will tell him that he must be put to death, because he claimed to speak the LORD's word, but spoke lies instead. When he prophesies, his own father and mother will stab him to death. When that time comes, no prophet will be proud of his visions, or act like a prophet, or wear a prophet's coarse garment in order to deceive people. Instead, he will say, ‘I am not a prophet. I am a farmer — I have farmed the land all my life.’ Then if someone asks him, ‘What are those wounds on your chest?’ he will answer, ‘I got them at a friend's house?’ ”

Or are you just taking Zechariah out of the context in which it was intended
The Anointed
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 03:00 pm
@The Anointed,
Nathan the Levite ancestor of Jesus, was a son of Uriah the hittite and Bathsheba the daughter of Ammiel the son of Obed-Edom, a descendant of Moses the Levite and his Ethiopian wife Jephunneh the mother of Caleb a chief in the tribe of Judah and adopted son of Moses.

The Talmud states, "Whoever brings up an orphan in his home is regarded...as though the child had been born to him." (Sanhedrin 19b).” In other words, the adopted child is to be treated as a child born to the father of that house, which means, that Heli and his descendants, who were born from the genetic line of Nathan ‘the prophet,’ who was the adopted son of King David, were legitimate heirs to King David, although originally, not to the throne of Israel, as the prophesied Messiah had to come through the genetic line of Solomon.

Heli and his descendants only became heirs to the throne of David, through Nathan the adopted son of King David, when Naria, a descendant of Nathan, married Tamar, a female descendant of King Solomon, who bore to Naria a son by the name “Salathiel.” After the death of Naria, Tamar was taken to wife by King Jehoiachin, whose only biological son with Tamar, was Zedekiah who died prematurely in Childhood.

According to Torah law, Nathan the adopted son of King David, and Nathan’s descendants, were legitimate heirs of King David, but not in the ancestral line of the promised Messiah, who was to be born of the seed of Solomon, until Naria the descendant of Nathan coupled with Tamar the descendant of Solomon, to produce Salathiel the ancestor of Jesus, who has been made High Priest (From the tribe of Levi=Nathan) and King (From the tribe of Judah=Solomon) in the order of Melchizedek.

David Hughes the noted Genealogist of the Ancient World Lineages, states that King Jeconiah’s only son, with Queen Tamar, ‘Prince Zedekiah,’ died prematurely in childhood, and in 586 BCE King Zedekiah, the last king of Israel, whose original name Mattaniah, was the son of Josiah and the uncle of Jehoiachin. King Zedekiah/Mattaniah, was taken prisoner and his sons were executed in front of him, after which, his eyes were gouged out, and there in Babylon, he remained blinded in exile for the rest of his life and it appeared that the entire royal lineage of King David through God’s chosen son, Solomon, had been exterminated.

With all the known direct lineages of male heirs to the lineage of King Solomon the son of King David and Bathsheba now extinct, Queen Tamar II became the dynastic heiress preserving not only the Lineage of King Solomon, but also became the inter-dynastic link, or the vital crossover heiress merging the non-royal Nathan lineage with the royal lineages of King Solomon.

With the addition of Tamar representing the mainline descendants of King David, we now can understand the linkage between the two prime royal and non-royal lineages to the ancestry of the Jewish Messiah Yehoshua ben Yosef (Jesus son of Joseph the son of Alexander Helios a descendant of Nathan).

Jesus carried in his genes the potent fusion of Davidian and Zadokian bloodlines. He carried the potent bloodline of the royal mantle as a Priest-King of Israel and the messianic mantle as the Maschiach Yisra’el (Messiah of Israel) of the House of David.

Hebrew 5: 10; “And God declared him (Jesus) to be high priest according to the priestly order of Melchizedek.” Melchizedek held the titles of both King and high priest. Hebrew 5: 5; “In the same way, Christ did not take upon himself the honor of being high priest. Instead, God said to him, ‘You are my Son; TODAY I have become your Father.’”
Theo202
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 03:46 pm
@The Anointed,
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Jesus was the prophet that "I AM" was referring to, when in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; He says to Moses;

"I AM" is the name of Elohim, a plurality of beings having a singular purpose. Moses' role in Elohim is obscured by the chapter break between Exodus 19 and 20.

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BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD

The KJV capitalises GOD and LORD to indicate that those words represent the proper name of the deity of the patriarchs, YHWH.

Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
Matthew 26:31

Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith YHWH of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
Zechariah 13:7

And YHWH said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of YHWH.
Zechariah 11:13

And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
Zechariah 13:6

The purpose relates to the temple and the event that motivated the priesthood to act against the Messiah.

Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith YHWH.
Jeremiah 7:11 from Matthew 21:13

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h6530/kjv/wlc/0-1/
Theo202
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 04:17 pm
@The Anointed,
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Hebrew 5: 5; “In the same way, Christ did not take upon himself the honor of being high priest. Instead, God said to him, ‘You are my Son; TODAY I have become your Father.’”


https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=my+son+pleased&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
The Anointed
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 06:42 pm
@Theo202,
2 Peter 1: 17-18; We were there when he was given honour and glory by God the Father, when the voice came to him from the Supreme Glory, saying, “This is my own dear Son, with whom I am pleased!” We ourselves heard this voice coming from heaven, when we were with him ON THE HOLY MOUNTAIN.

GNB Catholic Study Edition, Luke, 9: 32-36? Peter and his companions were sound asleep, but they woke up and saw Jesus' glory and the two men who were standing with him. As the men were leaving Jesus, Peter said to him, “Master, how good it is that we are here! We will make three tents, one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” (He did not really know what he was saying.)

While he was still speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them with its shadow; and the disciples were afraid as the cloud came over them. A voice said from the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I have ‘CHOSEN’ — listen to him!”

When the voice stopped, there was Jesus all alone. The disciples kept quiet about all this, and told no one at that time anything they had seen.

The fact that they were heavy with sleep and when they woke up Peter began babbling, not knowing what he was saying, seems to suggest that the three disciples had a vision in their sleep, or were hallucinating.

It was when Jesus was being baptised in the Jordon by John the first cousin of his mother Mary, that the spirit of our Lord God and savior descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; “You are my son ‘THIS DAY’ I have begotten thee.” Or as said in Hebrews 5: 5; “TODAY I have become your father.

In Luke 3: 22; Those who would have you believe that Jesus was a god who became a man, changed the original verse, to; “Thou art my beloved son in who I am well pleased.”

While in Luke 3: 22; (In place of “Thou art my beloved son in who I am well pleased.”) The following authorities of the second, third, and fourth centuries read, “This day I have begotten thee,” vouched for by Codex D, and the most ancient copies of the old latin (a, b. c. ff.I), by Justin Martyr (AD 140), Clemens Alex, (AD. 190), Methodius (AD. 290), among the Greeks. And among the Latins, Lactaitius (AD 300), Hilary (AD) Juvencus (AD. 330), Faustus (AD. 400) and Augustine. All these oldest manuscripts were changed completely. They now read, “This is my son in whom I am well pleased.” Whereas the original variant was, “Thou art my Son. This day I have begotten thee.”

Hebrews 5: 5; has; “You are my son, ‘TODAY’ I have become your Father.”

Acts 3: 13; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob the God of our fathers has given divine glory to his servant Jesus, Etc.

Isaiah 42: 1; The Lord says, “Here is my servant, whom I strengthen ___ the one I have CHOSEN, with whom I am pleased. I have filled him with my spirit, and he will bring justice to every nation.

Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will punish, etc.”

Man shall not live on bread alone but on every word of the Lord, the heavenly bread that came down from heaven, was the WORDS of the Lord God our savior with which the man Jesus was filled.

John 6: 63; The Lord speaking through the mouth of his servant Jesus said; “It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail, the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and life.” The ‘WORDS’ that Jesus was filled with was the spirit of the Lord, of who, the man Jesus was his earthly Temple, and it was the Lord who said through the mouth of his servant Jesus; “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up”.

Jesus was the earthly temple of the Lord, who filled that temple with His spirit. So, who raised that Body-temple? Jesus or the Lord God our saviour who filled Jesus with his spirit on the day he was baptised?

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God our saviour) has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, [WHO I AM] who said through the mouth his obedient servant Jesus, who spoke in ‘HIS NAME;’ “Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.”

And it was the God of Abraham (The Son of Man) who said through the mouth of Jesus. “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him to me; and I will raise him to life on the last day.”

Acts 3: 19; Repent then and turn to God (Not Jesus), so that He (God) will forgive your sins. If you do, times of spiritual strength will come from the Lord and He will send Jesus, who is the Messiah He has already ‘CHOSEN’ for you.
Theo202
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 08:08 pm
@The Anointed,
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While he was still speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them with its shadow; and the disciples were afraid as the cloud came over them. A voice said from the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I have ‘CHOSEN’ — listen to him!”

What's your source for that?

And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Luke 9:35

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Isaiah 42: 1; The Lord says, “Here is my servant, whom I strengthen ___ the one I have CHOSEN, with whom I am pleased. I have filled him with my spirit, and he will bring justice to every nation.


Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isaiah 42:1
The Anointed
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 09:05 pm
@Theo202,
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What's your source for that? And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. Luke 9:35


Good News Bible Catholic Study Edition; Luke 9: 35; A voice said from the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen—listen to him!”

Amplified version; Then there came a voice out of the cloud saying, this is my son, my chosen one, listen to him.

Living New Testament; Then there came a voice out of the cloud saying, this is my son, my chosen one, listen to him.

Revised standard version, And a voice came out of the cloud saying, this is my son, my chosen, listen to him.

New World Translation; And a voice came out of the cloud saying, this is my son, the one that has been chosen, listen to him.

The Living Bible; And a voice from the cloud said; "This is my son, my chosen one, listen to him.

The Full Life Study Bible; A voice came from the Cloud saying; "This is my son whom I have chosen, listen to him".

There's more, but that will do for now.

Good News Bible Catholic Study Edition; Isaiah 42: 1; The Lord says, “Here is my servant, whom I strengthen ___ the one I have CHOSEN, with whom I am pleased. I have filled him with my spirit, and he will bring justice to every nation.

New World Translation, Look! My servant, on whom I keep fast hold! My CHOSEN one, whom my soul has approved! I have put my spirit on him. Justice to the nations is what he will bring forth.

The Living Bible; See my servant, whom I uphold; my CHOSEN one in whom I delight. I have put my spirit upon him; he will reveal justice to the nations of the world.

The full life Study Bible; Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my CHOSEN one in whom I delight; I will put my spirit on him and he will bring Justice to the nations.
Theo202
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 09:09 pm
@The Anointed,
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g27/kjv/tr/0-1/

Textus Receptus has ἀγαπητός

beloved, esteemed, dear, favourite, worthy of love
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Theo202
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 09:43 pm
@The Anointed,
The Masoretic has elect/chosen relating to a servant, not to a son. According to the Septuagint it's about Jacob/Israel.

Isaiah 42:1, Brenton's Septuagint:
Jacob is my servant, I will help him: Israel is my chosen, my soul has accepted him; I have put my Spirit upon him; he shall bring forth judgement to the Gentiles.

Masoretic:
הן עבדי אתמך בו בחירי רצתה נפשי נתתי רוחי עליו משפט לגוים יוציא
behold my servant hold/keep chosen delight/approve my soul ...

KJV: Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, [in whom] my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
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The Anointed
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 09:48 pm
@Theo202,
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And YHWH said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of YHWH. Zechariah 11:13


Is it prophesied anywhere in the scriptures, that the Lord would raise up a Church, the head of which church, would claim to be the Shepherd chosen by the Lord to guide his people?

Yes! There is a prophecy of the Lord concerning the raising up of a worthless Shepherd after God had abandoned his chosen flock.

In Matthew 27: 9-10; we read; “Then what was spoken by (Jeremiah) the prophet was fulfilled: "They took the thirty pieces of silver, the price set on him by the people of Israel, and they used them to buy the potter's field, as the LORD commanded me."

The words here quoted are not in any copy of Jeremiah extant. But they bear a strong resemblance to the words of Zechariah 11:12-13. And it seems, from a remark of Augustine, that the original copies of Matthew 27: 9-11; in his time named no prophet, but that Matthew 27: 9-19, originally said; “That which was spoken by ‘THE PROPHET’ was fulfilled: "They took the thirty pieces of silver, the price set on him by the people of Israel, and they used them to buy the potter's field, as the LORD commanded me." Indeed, it is believed that the name (Jeremiah) was erroneously inserted by some much later officious transcriber.

“That which was spoken by ‘THE PROPHET’ was fulfilled: "They took the thirty pieces of silver, the price set on him by the people of Israel, and they used them to buy the potter's field, as the LORD commanded me."

THE PROPHET being Zechariah 11: 12 to 17.

Zechariah 11:12-17 New King James Version (NKJV) Then I said to them, “If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.” So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver..

And the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—that princely price they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD for the potter. 14 Then I cut in two my other staff, Bonds, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

15 And the LORD said to me, “Next, take for yourself the implements of a foolish shepherd. 16 For indeed I will raise up a shepherd in the land who will not care for those who are cut off, nor seek the young, nor heal those that are broken, nor feed those that still stand. But he will eat the flesh of the fat and tear their hooves in pieces.

17 “Woe to the worthless shepherd,
Who leaves the flock!
A sword shall be against his arm
And against his right eye;
His arm shall completely wither,
And his right eye shall be totally blinded.”

Where would you think to find that worthless Shepherd that God raised up in the Land after, He who revealed himself through his earthly servant Jesus, was paid the majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver?

Oh you shepherd of the darkness, who claim God sent you out
And even though we know that’s true, that fact I wouldn’t flout
For God commanded Zechariah, “Throw my wages ‘cross the floor,
Those thirty bits of silver, for I’ll guide this flock no more
A worthless shepherd now I’ll raise to guide this stubborn flock
And he will be a useless one, of him I’ll take no stock
For he’ll not feed my little ones, nor search for them that’s lost
But he eats the meat of the fattest sheep. And their hooves? He tears them off
That worthless shepherd, he is doomed for abandoning my flock
His power, will I destroy by war, his arm will wither dry, then drop
And his right eye will I turn Blind, that’s why he’s never seen
The passage where I speak of him, Zechariah eleven—twelve to seventeen.

There is but one church, which claims to be the Universal church, the head of which church claims to be the shepherd of Gods people, who was raised up after the Lord, who revealed himself through his obedient earthly host body, ‘The Man Jesus’ was paid the majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver, which was cast to the potter in the house of the Lord.

Zechariah 13: 7, The Lord Almighty says, “Wake up Sword, and attack the shepherd who works for me! Kill him, etc.
Theo202
 
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Sun 24 Apr, 2022 10:10 pm
@The Anointed,
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Where would you think to find that worthless Shepherd that God raised up in the Land after, He who revealed himself through his earthly servant Jesus, was paid the majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver?


But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
Acts 9:15-16

According to Paul:

But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
Acts 26:16

According to the writer of Acts:

And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Acts 9:6
The Anointed
 
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Mon 25 Apr, 2022 03:44 am
@Theo202,
First, you quote my question to you, which was; “Where would you think to find that worthless Shepherd that God raised up in the Land after, He who revealed himself through his earthly servant Jesus, was paid the majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver”? then you make no attempt to answer it.

Instead, you go on to talk about the conversion of the apostle Paul.

Jesus who was given divine glory by the Lord God our savior, is now incontestably divine and sits in the heavenly throne of our Father, where he invites all those who win the victory as he has been victorious, to sit beside him in his throne, Rev 3: 21.

Jesus, our chosen high priest and King, said to Mary Magdalene in John 20: 17; “Go to my brothers and say to them; I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”

To those who win the victory, who continue to the end to do what he wants, he will give the same authority that he received from our heavenly Father: He will give them authority over the nations, to rule them with an rod of iron and to break them to pieces like clay pots, etc. Rev 2: 26-28.

In the mean-time Judas Iscariot committed suicide, and the other 11 apostles chose a replacement for him, but they did not have that authority, Jesus chose the original twelve, and Jesus would choose the replacement

The reason why Jesus choose Paul is too complicated to explain here, needless to say it was because his Father was a Benjaminite and his mother was a citizen of Rome.

Acts 9: 22; While Saul was on the road to Damascus the Lord in his inherited body of glorious blinding incorruptible Light, spoke to him, the men with him saw the light and heard the voice but only Saul understood what was said and what the Lord said, was; “Saul, Saul! Why do you persecute me”? “Who are you Lord Saul asked?” ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth who you persecute, Jesus said, Acts 22: 9. And Acts 9: 3-5.

And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?
And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Acts.9:6.

Acts 9: 8-18. Rising up from the ground, the blinded Saul was led by the hand into the town of Damascus, where he remained fasting for some three days, until a man named Ananias was sent by the Lord. our chosen high priest and king to cure his blindness, at first Ananias was reluctant to go, but the Lord said to him. “Go, because I have chosen him to serve me, to make my name known to Gentiles and Kings and to the people of Israel. And I myself will show him all that he must suffer for my sake.”

And the Lord said to Saul in Acts 26:16-18; But get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as my servant. You are to tell others what you have seen of today and what I will show you in the future. I will rescue you from the people of Israel and from the Gentiles to whom I will send you. You are to open their eyes and turn them from the darkness to the light and from the power of Satan to God, so that through their faith in me they will have their sins forgiven and receive their place among God's chosen people.’
Theo202
 
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Mon 25 Apr, 2022 04:25 am
@The Anointed,
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First, you quote my question to you, which was; “Where would you think to find that worthless Shepherd that God raised up in the Land after, He who revealed himself through his earthly servant Jesus, was paid the majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver”? then you make no attempt to answer it.

Wrong, you just won't accept the answer.
If it wasn't Paul, then who was it?
The Anointed
 
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Mon 25 Apr, 2022 05:36 am
@Theo202,
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If it wasn't Paul, then who was it?


How about the great prostitute who sits on the seven hills of Rome, the universal church. the head of which claims to be the "SHEPHERD" of God people.

Rev 18; Come out of her my people Do not share in her sins
You must not share her punishment Her Judgement day has come
Her sins are piled to heaven And god recalls her evil ways
She says "I am no widow And I'll never see the grave"
Because of that in just one day Disease will strike her down
Plagues and famine she'll receive til finally she'll be burned
You must pay her back two fold For all that she has done
Fill her cup as she filled yours but make it twice as strong
For all the glory she has claimed and all her luxury
Must be repaid this very day with pain and misery.
 

 
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