Phyllis Clayton, 58 dies of heart attack after getting a covid vaccine.

The kind of people who would take pleasure in the deaths of others could only be demonic ghouls who would pee their pants at the sight of a crucifix. The Germans call it ‘schadenfreude’, and it really reveals a sociopathic mind.

Very sad that several athletes in the prime of their life and even some small children have had heart attacks after taking the COVID vaccine. I wish no on else would die needlessly because of being forced to take medication that they don’t need. It’s very sad.

Ginger, I want to make this abundantly clear. You and I are not on the same side. I don't want to be associated with you.

I am against right-wing extremism (as well as left). I clash with the left on this forum because the conversation here is dominated by the left. I would clash with right wing extremism more except it has been a long time since we have had a conservative with arguments intelligent enough to argue with. There were some intelligent conservatives here... I think that they were intelligent enough to get up and leave (which is a problem I suppose).

I have seen your posts here. I haven't bothered to argue with them because they worth arguing with, and other people are already jumping on them.

But make no mistake. I think your posts, particularly on "illegals" are more ignorant, cruel and extreme than anything coming from the left here.

If you have a thoughtful opinion on some topic, I will be happy to engage with you whether I agree or not.

Well, that's your definition. Mine obviously differs. A 98 year old man's deathly heart failure is not 'tragic' to me - it's sad and regrettable, but inevitable. A 5 or 15 or 25 year old whose life was ended by someone else - that's 'tragic'. This person willfully did not take the precautions recommended, so his death was not 'tragic' - sad and regrettable, yes.

So what about a 35 year old obese person dying of diabetes, or a 20 year old who dies riding a motorcycle, or a hiker who gets lost and freezes to death.

Deciding who deserves death and who doesn't is a morbid game.

What makes you think that I view you as on "my side" or desire your approval in the first place? Where did I mention anything that would make you think that?

Seems pretty narcissistic to not be grown up enough to read a comment from another person without inferring that it must be a reflection on you personally. Does the world revolve around you?

You didn't even comment on anything that I said in my post. It doesn't seem indicative of "intelligence" to read something, comment on things that are entirely unrelated, and then make it all about yourself and how the rest of the world ought to see things the way that you do in order to be deemed worthy of humanity.

If you see no problem with the out-of-control ILLEGAL immigration going on at the southern border, then you don't respect the laws of the country, or basic economic truths in regard to maintaining a nation. There is nothing "extreme" about obeying the law and respecting the borders, as well as valuing the safety of LEGAL American citizens. In fact, the opposite is quite extreme, showing no regard whatsoever for American citizens and legal immigrants.

My guess is that you're a leftist in the 20–30-year-old range. The tell-tales signs are pedantic criticism of others, an inability to accept things like basic logic and arithmetic, and a narcissistic sense of self entitlement.

I would peg you for the type that voted for Biden soley out of spite held against Trump, and now the reckless actions of Biden voters have been proven to have damaged the country in irreversible ways, as Biden has been shown to be an absolute failure by all objective measures, and without any doubt one of the worst presidents of all time, far worse than any valid criticisms of Trump. I would wager that you're still unwilling to admit and accept that that vote (not for Biden, but against Trump) was childish and done simply out of hatred for Trump voters. You never had any intention of voting for the betterment of the country, instead voting out of childish spite against conservatives. If you can't admit that Biden has been an utter disaster as a president, then you're dishonest. The facts prove that the country would've been better off with Trump.

To respond to my own comment since you're too childish to, it really is disturbing to see this person bobsal taking repeated grotesque pleasure in the deaths of other people. Schadenfreude is an indicator of sociopathy. No decent person should take enjoyment in the deaths of others, even including those whom they disagree with. I agree with you that it is very obscene. Perhaps you can take this opportunity to learn that people are able to agree with an individual point that someone makes without that being an implication of them thinking you to be "on their side" or yearning for your asinine approval to exist.

This might not be the best place for this but I'll bet your little home smells wonderful at this time of year with all the holiday baking going on! I wondered if you might consider sharing a few of your favorite cookie recipes with us? Maybe tell us some Christmas tales from your childhood and we can exchange some heartwarming stories during the Yuletide season.

I'm suggesting this because I'm a bit worried about you, Granny. When you showed up, sure as sugar, you sounded like such a fun old lady. But something has happened to you. You no longer sound like yourself – the image you project is that of a transsexual Steve Bannon wrapped in a shawl and holding your injured nephew in your lap, like a grotesque version of the Pieta.

Gee, maxdancona, you're an overflowing fount of morbidity porn! How about a 35 year old obese person with diabetes who's looking for a missing person and a 20 year old on a motorcycle runs into him, they both perish and the lost hiker freezes to death?


You seem to have made it into one!

It is tragic when any human being dies of covid.

That is the whole point of this thread. I think it is an important point.

Seems like the non vaxxed are doing even worse. Why do we need fake Phylises?? The real one are doing bad enough.

Well bobsal, if more unvaccinated people dying makes you happy... congratulations?

You are spiking the football (over covid deaths). I don't really know how to respond.

Nobody is deciding who deserves death. What the hell are you talking about? And nobody is happy about a death.

That is not what I was talking about, you silly silly boy.

I simply don't think it's TRAGIC when someone deliberately refuses a life-saving treatment and then dies. Sad and regrettable, yes, but not TRAGIC.

Stop introducing new concepts into what I said, silly!

No, I don't see how you can say that without knowing the specifics of any individual case. You aren't saying it's invariably more tragic than any human being dying of anything else, are you?

No, it's just your silly opinion.

You are full of crap Mame.

A vaccine is not a "life-saving treatment" any more than losing weight is a life saving treatment.

A "life saving treatment" is something you give to people who are seriously sick. Losing weight is something you can do to keep from becoming sick. Some people who are obese are going to die because of their choice to not lose weight, but most will not.

Saying that it isn't tragic that someone who is obese dies of diabetes because they "refused a life saving treatment" by not losing weight would be asisine. Do you at least agree on this?

You are acting like being unvaccinated is a death sentence. And that everyone is going to get sick. The reality is that only a small percentage of the unvaccinated (probably under 1% but we can do the math if you want) will ever need to be hospitalized for covid.

I am saying that a human being dying young is tragic.

No. I'm referring to people who have died of Covid. No one else. I said it wasn't tragic (to me, obviously) as they could and should have gotten a life-saving treatment but chose not to. If you can't keep things straight in your tiny little brain then you shouldn't comment, you silly man.

Mame, your jusitification for your rather extreme position isn't even logically consistent.

Is a mammogram a "life saving treatment"? A woman who fails to get a mammogram and then dies of breast cancer; I assume we all agree that this would be tragic.

No. Not tragic. It was avoidable. Not extreme and not inconsistent.

No, that's not what you said:

Don't try to weasel out of it; just admit that you misspoke.

You don't get to define what's universally tragic. You might label the death by covid of a young person as "tragic" but its parents might see the death as an "act of mercy" or a "blessing". It might even make the kid he bullied unmercifully at school happy. It depends on the particular circumstances and the specific individuals involved.

Was that necessary?

You learned about subsets in third grade math. You may have forgotten third grade math. Let me give you a little refresher of third grade math.

1) All unvaccinated humans are humans.
2) All people who die of covid are human.
3) A human being dying young is tragic.
4) Therefore a person dying young of covid is tragic.

Do you need a Venn diagram?

I want you to be very clear here Mame. If I take you at face value, you seem to be saying; "a woman dying a breast cancer isn't tragic if she didn't get a mammogram".

If this isn't what you are saying, then please clarify.