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Michigan shooting: suspect’s parents found hiding in warehouse

 
 
Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2021 08:51 am
Michigan shooting: suspect’s parents found hiding in warehouse

Jennifer and James Crumbley face manslaughter charges
Son Ethan, 15, charged with murder over deadly school shooting



Joanna Walters and agencies
@Joannawalters13
Sat 4 Dec 2021 09.33 EST

First published on Fri 3 Dec 2021 12.16 EST

The parents of a teen accused of killing four students in a shooting at a Michigan high school were found hiding in a Detroit building early on Saturday, several hours after a prosecutor filed involuntary manslaughter charges against them, officials said.

Jennifer and James Crumbley, whose son Ethan Crumbley is accused of killing four students at a Michigan high school, were taken into custody after the pair went missing in the wake of being charged as part of the investigation into the mass shooting.

They were captured in a commercial building that housed artwork, the Detroit police chief, James E White, said at a news conference.

The Crumbleys’ attorney, Shannon Smith, said on Friday that the pair had left town earlier in the week “for their own safety” and would be returning to Oxford to face charges. But White seemed to dismiss the possibility that was their intention.

“This isn’t indicative of turning yourself in – hiding in a warehouse,” White said. He added that the couple “were aided in getting into the building” and that a person who helped them may also face charges.

A Detroit business owner spotted a car tied to the Crumbleys in his parking lot late on Friday, the Oakland county undersheriff Michael McCabe said in a statement. A woman seen near the vehicle ran away when the business owner called 911, McCabe said. The couple was later located and arrested by Detroit police.

He added that the parents appeared to be “distressed” when they were captured.
“Head down … just very upset,” he said of one of the parents.

Jennifer and James Crumbley were charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter but authorities on Friday said the whereabouts of the Crumbleys were not known, prompting a search.
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Early on Saturday, Detroit police said that they had taken the pair into custody.

The parents were charged due to the issue of access to weapons. “The parents were the only individuals in the position to know the access to weapons,” the Oakland county prosecutor Karen McDonald said on Thursday. She added that the gun “seems to have been just freely available to that individual”.

Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been charged as an adult with two dozen crimes, including murder, attempted murder and terrorism, for the shooting on Tuesday at Oxford high school in Oakland county, roughly 30 miles north of Detroit.

Four students were killed and seven more people were injured. Three were in hospitals in stable condition.

The semi-automatic gun was bought legally by the teenager’s father last week, according to investigators.

The parents were summoned to the school a few hours before the shooting occurred after a teacher found a drawing of a gun, a person bleeding and the words “help me” and “blood everywhere” and a laughing emoji, McDonald said at a press conference on Friday morning. She said that they resisted their son’s removal.

Prosecutors have revealed more details of drawings and writings made by the gunman, suggesting the possibility that he was planning a shooting rampage.

Authorities have previously said school officials met with him and his parents the morning of the attack to discuss concerns about his behavior.

“Any individual who had the opportunity to stop this tragedy should have done so,” McDonald said.

Parents in the US are rarely charged in school shootings involving their children, even though most minors get guns from a parent or relative’s house, according to experts.

“Gun ownership is a right but with that right comes great responsibility,” McDonald said.

There is no Michigan law that requires gun owners keep weapons locked away from children. McDonald, however, suggested there was more to build a case on.

“All I can say at this point is those actions on mom and dad’s behalf go far beyond negligence,” she had told local station WJR-AM.

“We obviously are prosecuting the shooter to the fullest extent … There are other individuals who should be held accountable.”

McDonald said that Jennifer Crumbley had texted her son, “You have to learn not to get caught” after a teacher saw him searching online for ammunition.

She described the parents’ conduct as “unconscionable” and “criminal”.

Bouchard disclosed on Wednesday that the parents met with school officials about their son’s classroom behavior, just a few hours before the shooting.

McDonald said information about what had troubled the school “will most likely come to light soon”.

Crumbley stayed in school on Tuesday and later emerged from a bathroom with a gun, firing at students in the hallway, police said.

Tim Throne, leader of Oxford community schools, said the high school looks like a “war zone” and would not be ready for weeks. But he repeatedly credited students and staff for how they responded to the violence.

Brady, the gun control campaign group, applauded the charges against the parents.

Brady’s president, Kris Brown, said: “It is clear that these parents bear responsibility for creating conditions that allowed the tragic shooting at Oxford high school to occur. Safe storage saves lives and it fulfills an adult’s legal requirement to keep firearms out of the hands of minors. Doing less puts such adults in legal jeopardy, as we have seen here.”

With AP and Reuters
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2021 09:18 am
Another section displayed a drawing of a bullet with the words "Blood Everywhere" written above it. Between the drawing of the gun and the bullet is one of a person who seems to have been shot twice and is bleeding, McDonald said.
"Below that figure is a drawing of a laughing emoji," McDonald said.
Also found on the note, according to McDonald: "My life is useless" and "The world is dead."
The parents were called for a meeting in the school with a counselor and their son, who had altered the illustration by scratching out the drawings of the gun and bloody figure, along with the words, according to McDonald.
The parents refused to take their son out of the school, and he was allowed back to class.


Excuse me for being an alarmist but I, had I the authority, would close down the school with that kind of information and I would be looking to sue those people who could if my child had been there.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2021 10:19 am
@edgarblythe,
There is a problem with closing schools whenever teenagers draw violent imagery. You would have to close down every school every week and no one would learn anything.

These are teenagers we are talking about. Teenagers think ninjas are cool, they like the "Anarchists cookbook". I bet other people here bragged about being able to make bombs out of batteries or sharpened metal into a throwing star.

If we shut down schools every time old people are shocked or disturbed by something done by a teenager (like listen to rap or make a finger gun), there will be no schools.

Every single week in every single high school, there is some meeting where some kid said something that upset some adult. That is why schools have psychologists. You can't shut down the school every time.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2021 10:27 am
You're being trolled again, it shut down another one of your threads and is now trying to shut this one down.

Nobody wants to talk go it so it just tries to spoil everything for everyone else.

I hear the accessories to murder have had their bail set at a million so they will be staying on remand.

I hope they go through Hell, it makes a nice change seeing 2nd ammendment scum facing the consequences of their actions.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2021 10:31 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Nobody wants to talk go it so it just tries to spoil everything for everyone else.


It looks like that shot over its head.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2021 11:12 am
@izzythepush,
You must remember it's his job to remind everyone immediately everything that's wrong with whatever it is they wrote. For instance, you could say I love Coke!! and immediately hear the rant "OH YEAH, WHAT ABOUT PEPSI?". He can't help himself, SOMEBODY has to remind you how stupid you are. Bet it keeps him busy.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2021 07:00 pm
@izzythepush,
Notice he never even brushed up against the topic?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2021 07:06 pm
@maxdancona,
What? Art Warehouse porn?
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2021 08:59 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

There is a problem with closing schools whenever teenagers draw violent imagery. You would have to close down every school every week and no one would learn anything.

These are teenagers we are talking about. Teenagers think ninjas are cool, they like the "Anarchists cookbook". I bet other people here bragged about being able to make bombs out of batteries or sharpened metal into a throwing star.

If we shut down schools every time old people are shocked or disturbed by something done by a teenager (like listen to rap or make a finger gun), there will be no schools.

Every single week in every single high school, there is some meeting where some kid said something that upset some adult. That is why schools have psychologists. You can't shut down the school every time.


This is the last on topic post on this thread. Continue...
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 01:45 pm
https://i.postimg.cc/m24PBytT/7.jpg
snood
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 01:54 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
But, but... you argue online all the time.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 01:56 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
'Course not.

It seems strange having this reaction after the Rittenhouse verdict. I don't really know what's going on, I live an ocean away. Yet I get the feeling this is a one off, this is the one shooting that will be taken seriously, then back to normal.

It's a completely alien mindset.
Mame
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 03:45 pm
@izzythepush,
Well, the parents' actions certainly contributed - I mean, leaving the gun unlocked, ignoring the school staff, then trying to evade the police.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 03:54 pm
@snood,
Not with he who shall not be named. I'm still waiting for him to prove that nice preacher and his lovely wife didn't die of Covid or not because they weren't vaxxed and hadn't been posting all about it on twitter. Nameless called it death porn. Or covid porn or something else as stupid.

So I'm not arguing with a troll.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 04:01 pm
@izzythepush,
Well, believe it or not there are still some Federal possibilities but they have to be sparked by Joe Biden, Merrick Garland and/or Federal District Attorneys.

It's not necessarily over.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 04:02 pm
@Mame,
It was a crazy expensive gun, too.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 04:07 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Not with he who shall not be named. I'm still waiting for him to prove that nice preacher and his lovely wife didn't die of Covid or not because they weren't vaxxed and hadn't been posting all about it on twitter. Nameless called it death porn. Or covid porn or something else as stupid.

So I'm not arguing with a troll.


Not arguing with a troll! Who the **** do you think you are fooling. You started a thread to argue with me, and you admit as much when you welcome Izzy's off-topic bollocks into this thread (yes, Izzy is a jolly good chap).

If you are going to ignore me, then ignore me. Starting threads about me is not ignoring me, neither is whining about me on almost every thread I post in... and even in threads I am not posting in.

You are obsessed with me bobsal. I suppose I should be flattered, but it isn't good for you.

Go ahead, ignore me. I dare you.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 04:15 pm
@maxdancona,
Here is the pattern (for those keeping score)

1. Max makes an on topic post with a different perspective.
2. Izzy or bobsal make an off topic post whining that someone has a different perspective.
3. Bobsal or Izzy or Glitterbag jump in to whine more.
4. Then are three pages between Izzy and Bobsal and Glitterbag whining.
5. Then they whine about how many pages are wasted whining.

This happens on thread after thread after thread. Apparently there are a number of people who like all this whining.

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Mame
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2021 04:29 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
What are those Federal possibilities? And how much was the gun?
 

 
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