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Propagation of Light

 
 
chris2a
 
Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2005 12:58 am
Is it possible that instead of a 2-dimensional wave, a photon of light propagates through space-time as a 3-dimensional spiral?
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satt fs
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2005 01:01 am
why not?
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stuh505
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2005 01:44 am
Light exhibits properties of waves such as reflection, diffraction, diffusion and superposition that would not be explainable by a "spiral".

However, light waves have electrical and magnetic components which are plotted on separate axis, and they are always in phase. So, if you were to plot a particle in these two dimensions that followed both waves, it would follow a spiral. Interesting. I don't know if that has any significance, though...
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raprap
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2005 02:19 am
Stuh is right.

If you look at light as an electromagnetic property in three dimensions it acts like a quadrupole. A quadrupole does not exhibit phase shifting in three dimensions as would a spiral.

Some Mass Spectrometers use this quadrupole property by generating magnetic quadrapoles and explioting the dipoles of elemental molecular orbitals.

In addition gravity waves are modeled as quadrupoles.

Rap
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chris2a
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2005 03:54 am
spiral propagation
I am admittedly not a physicist and value your input greatly. But if we could entertain the possibility, even for a moment, that spiral propagation is a possibility, could it be a type of propagation that has no real world (or macroscopic) equivalent?

Would there be a diameter of angular displacement (travel)? Could we consider angular velocity? What happens to our model of polarization? Is it something that cannot be verified experimentally (Heisenberg paradox)?
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stuh505
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2005 05:29 pm
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If you look at light as an electromagnetic property in three dimensions it acts like a quadrupole. A quadrupole does not exhibit phase shifting in three dimensions as would a spiral.


I am not sure what you mean...a quadrupole is a configuration of charge, but how exactly does light "act" as a quadrupole?

In fact...I am not clear on the whole wave/particle problem on the first place. Why can't we say that light is an EM wave which is composed of photon particles?

It seems that we are always told, "it sometimes acts like a particle, and sometimes acts like a wave," what experiments lead us to believe that they aren't the same thing?
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chris2a
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 05:03 am
I found something that may have answered the question of spiral propagation at http://www.maticweb.com/eng/.
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stuh505
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 04:33 pm
I doubt any of us are qualified to assess the legitimacy of new theories like this, although they are always attractive and thought provoking.
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