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Gender Politics on a level playing field.

 
 
Thu 22 Jul, 2021 10:52 am
A discussion forum, such as Able2know is the perfect example of a level playing field. We all have the freedom to express our opinions. We all have the same ability to responds, or to ignore the opinions other people express. We all at times get upset, or throw punches or take punches.

There is no privilege here. No one has physical strength, or social leverage. We are all on the same footing. This is a great experimental answer to the question of what would happen if men and women existed as equals.

This is an equitable space with no power imbalance the narrative of men oppressing women still somes into play. And women are still seen as vulnerable and needing protection.

Every man knows this. If you throw punches you need to be able to take a punch. And women on Able2know throw punches and some land below the belt. But that comes with the territory on some threads on public forums, and anyone (man or woman) has the option to opt out.

And yet, when I get into scuffles with people who identify as women it is viewed in a gendered context. When I get in the same scuffles with people who identify as men, it is quite different.

On a level playing field such as this one, judging opinions or responses based on gender doesn't make sense.

 
Real Music
 
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Fri 23 Jul, 2021 09:43 pm
@maxdancona,
Quote:
And yet, when I get into scuffles with people who identify as women it is viewed in a gendered context. When I get in the same scuffles with people who identify as men, it is quite different.

1. Why do you think that is?
2. Do you believe that it is more to do about you?
3. Or is it something else?

Quote:
On a level playing field such as this one, judging opinions or responses based on gender doesn't make sense.

1. In some instances, it may be true that judging opinions or responses based on gender doesn't make sense.
2. But, there also may be instances when judging opinions or responses based on gender does make sense.
maxdancona
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 08:28 am
@Real Music,
I don't understand your post Real Music. We are all here, what I am describing is something we all can see?

I would like to hear your opinion. Given that men and women are equals here with no power imbalance in this space, do women still need to be protected?

Is there any moral difference on able2know between a man insulting a woman or a woman insulting a man, or are they equal?

I find it interesting, because even in an equal space such as this, the idea that women need to be protected persists, in spite of the fact that women here are perfectly willing to throw punches themselves.
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maxdancona
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 08:58 am
A man should never hit a woman.

This is a sexist rule. It is based on the idea that men are physically stronger than women who are delicate and should be protected. This is not always true, there are women who could certainly beat me in a fair fight. But the rule is something that most of us know and believe.

If Izzy ever throws a punch at me in a bar, I am punching back. There is a "man code" of fair fighting, as long as he fights fair I will punch to his face or his gut. But one of us is going down. If Mame attacks me (a slap or a punch) I am supposed to take it without responding. And I would take it without doing anything. There is a weird assumption that when a woman physically attacks a man, he like deserves it (something you would never say when a man attacks a woman).

These gender ideas persist even when the reasoning behind them goes away. On able2know, men have zero advantage over women, this is an equal space. It is interesting that you are still not supposed to return a punch, if you are a man.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 09:20 am
@maxdancona,
Reported.

I don’t get involved in bar fights, and I’ve not even commented on this thread.

I don’t know what is wrong with Max.

I’ve never known anyone so needy.
hightor
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 09:21 am
@maxdancona,
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On a level playing field such as this one, judging opinions or responses based on gender doesn't make sense.

That's reasonable. But how do you know that you're judging someone's opinions or responses based on gender and not simply on the quality of their rhetoric?

What I don't find reasonable is the idea that getting into a fistfight in a bar is equivalent to being called names on a message board and that they both require a similar response.

Quote:
And women are still seen as vulnerable and needing protection.

I haven't noticed that. I haven't noticed that any of the women who post regularly on this site are in need of "protection" – or any of the men either.
maxdancona
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 09:56 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Reported


I don’t get involved in bar fights, and I’ve not even commented on this thread.


Quote:

I’ve never known anyone so needy.


This made me chuckle.
maxdancona
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 09:58 am
@hightor,
I think comparing some threads on able2know to a barfight is a fair comparison. The need to punch back when we feel slighted on able2know is something most of us understand.

Izzy's post on this thread demonstrates that perfectly. Izzy felt wronged, and he punched back by announcing he reported me and by lashing out at what he perceives to be onw of my weak points.

More importantly it demonstrates my point about gender bias.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 10:26 am
@maxdancona,
No, it demonstrated that you are a liar.

I would never drink with you.

I would never drink in a bar that served the likes of you.

If I were to hit you, which I wouldn’t, you wouldn’t get a chance to hit me back.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 10:31 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

This made me chuckle.


You always say something like this when made to feel uncomfortable, it’s not working, and I doubt you believe it.

You have a problem with women, you can’t see them as anything other than sexual objects.

That’s why you make people’s flesh creep.
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maxdancona
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 10:42 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

No, it demonstrated that you are a liar.

I would never drink with you.

I would never drink in a bar that served the likes of you.

If I were to hit you, which I wouldn’t, you wouldn’t get a chance to hit me back.


And yet you are here, on able2know, in a thread I started, responding to my posts. In this metaphor, you are seeking out bars that advertize "Max drinks here".

Anyway... Now I will demonstrate how you can end a barfight by walking away (although I will admit I provoked this one even though it was just an apt metaphor... on second thought I shouldnt have name dropped Izzy). I will walk away from this one with a half-sincere apology for using Izzy's name in vain.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 10:47 am
@maxdancona,
I’ve been on able2know for a longtime.

I’m not going to driven out by you.

Other posters have already spoken of. avoiding threads because of you.

Did you notice how when you stopped posting for a fortnight nobody missed you, and nobody welcomed you back?

That should tell you something.
maxdancona
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 10:53 am
@izzythepush,
Ha ha. I really upset Izzy this time Smile. In this metaphor he pulled out the knives. I said I would walk away....so I will.
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hightor
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 11:03 am
@maxdancona,
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The need to punch back when we feel slighted on able2know is something most of us understand.

No, I don't understand. I don't understand why you compare it to being physically assaulted. I don't understand why anyone would feel compelled to respond. I don't understand how any lasting damage is done when someone disputes your reasoning or calls you a name. I do understand having one's teeth knocked out or getting a black eye in a physical fight but I don't think to two types of attacks are comparable.
maxdancona
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 11:38 am
@hightor,
Really Hightor?

Take a look at Izzy. He is pulling out the stops trying as much as he can to inflict "damage". His intention is clear. He is not here to discuss the topic, and there is no reason he couldnt simply ignore this thread..

And yet he is here throwing punches. I can understand his behavior (although I do think he is overreacting a bit).

How do you explain it?
Region Philbis
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 11:42 am
@maxdancona,
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there is no reason he couldnt simply ignore this thread.
you mentioned him by name... what did you expect?
maxdancona
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 11:49 am
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:

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there is no reason he couldnt simply ignore this thread.
you mentioned him by name... what did you expect?


I accept that. It was clearly a metaphor, I wasn't actually suggesting a physical fight with any other member, and I dont think I would have reacted that way.

But you are right. I did mention him by name. I also used Mame in my metaphor.... Hmmm
izzythepush
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 12:43 pm
@maxdancona,
Because you’ve got nothing to say you throw dirt.

That’s all you do, about half of your threads are prompted by disagreements with other members.

How you’re treated and your perceived persecution is all you ever talk about.

That obsessive behaviour doesn’t sit with having a chuckle at what others post.

That’s all this thread is.

You like a good recap. So here goes. You start a thread based on your own inadequacies and fear of women which you characteristically try to hide as something else.

Your twisted imagination is what this thread is about. The only person who pointedly treats posters differently is you. It’s a problem you have.

When others tell you that they cannot see what is clearly a product of your swampish musings you start throwing dirt by attacking the two posters you most dislike by name.

When I respond you claim to be amused.

And you expect people to believe that?

You’re like a toddler having a tantrum in your playpen desperate for attention.
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maxdancona
 
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Sat 24 Jul, 2021 01:00 pm
The point I am making on this thread (and I think I am making it effectively) is this:

I have ongoing feuds with Izzy, Mame and Glitterbag. In this case I have to admit I provoked the confrontation. In my opinion, in most threads I am responding to provocations (but that is beside the point).

I feel I react to Mame and Glitterbag the same as I react to Izzy. In this equal space, gender doesn't matter. We are all in the same boat with with equal amounts of power. I feel like I should treat them the same; in this space we deal with ideas and arguments (and sometimes insults). There is no gender advantage either way. If I "pull my punches" with Mame because she is a woman in a way that I wouldn't do with Izzy.... that would be sexist.

And yet in many threads, people seem to persist in the idea that women need to be protected, even as they are making the same jabs and insults that anyone else does. Women here seem to throw the same mud that men do.

If no one actually feels that women need to be protected in an equal space, than I am wrong. But that sure is my perception
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Real Music
 
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Sun 25 Jul, 2021 12:25 am
The following are some obnoxious private messages I received from Mame
2 weeks ago



Mame @ Real Music

Sun 11 Jul, 2021 12:53 pm
What the hell is wrong with you? Cluttering up the board with this old ****. Get your head together! You're a pain in the freaking ass and you're not making yourself any friends!!!

Real Music @ Mame

Sun 11 Jul, 2021 01:37 pm
I already posted this to Roger and now I will say the exact same to you Mame:

1. As far as I can tell, virtually all of the threads have been real snoozers lately,
2. In fact, I'm probably doing everyone a huge favor by bringing back some life to A2k.
3. Let's face it. A2k has been extremely boring and inactive lately.
4. I have noticed that people are not even posting on A2k anymore on any subject or any topic.
5. Because A2k has gotten so boring lately, I decided to seek out old interesting threads.
6. Yeah, you might see a post here and there.
7. But, we know damn well people lately haven't been posting on A2k.
8. Oh by the way. You are very welcome and I am glad I could help.

Mame @ Real Music

Sun 11 Jul, 2021 01:41 pm
Well, I've reported you on the basis of the number of threads. I hope they shut you down for a while. If there aren't any current interesting (to you) threads, start one. Don't pull up these shitty old ones. They're not even interesting. Even if you think so. Nobody's responding, so that's your first clue.

Real Music @ Mame

Sun 11 Jul, 2021 01:43 pm
1. Do whatever you feel you need to do.
2. Frankly, I don't care.

Mame @ Real Music

Sun 11 Jul, 2021 02:17 pm
frankly, you're an idiot.

Real Music @ Mame

Sun 11 Jul, 2021 02:20 pm
1. Please don't send me anymore direct messages.
2. Your messages are not welcome.

Mame @ Real Music

Sun 11 Jul, 2021 02:29 pm
drop dead, you drip

Real Music @ Mame

Sun 11 Jul, 2021 04:40 pm
1. I already asked you to stop direct messaging me.
2. But, you still continue to direct message me.
3. If you want to say something to me, do so out in the open for all to see.
4. Stop sending me direct messaging, when you know other people can't see your messages.
5. You are behaving like a coward.
6. Let everyone see the messages you are sending me.
7. Stop being afraid of letting other people see your messages to me.
8. You can send me a message inside any thread of your choosing.
9. Send me a message inside one of your own thread, if you prefer.
10. I will be happy to respond to anything you say out in the open.
11. Stop behaving in secrecy, like a coward.
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