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Good News Bible, Catholic Study Edition; Zephaniah 1: 23; The LORD said, “I am going to destroy everything on earth, all human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy the whole human race, and no survivors will be left. I, the LORD, have spoken."

Verse 18; On the day when the LORD shows his fury, not even all their silver and gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end — a sudden end — to everyone who lives on earth.

This happens after the thousand year rule of Christ when Satan is released.

Revelation 20: 7-9; After the thousand years are over, Satan will be let loose from his prison, and he will go out to deceive the nations scattered over the whole world, that is, Gog and Magog. Satan will bring them all together for battle, as many as the grains of sand on the seashore. They spread out over the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people and the city that he loves. But fire came down from heaven and destroyed them.

When, according to the scriptures, does the day of tribulation occur?

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[+3] - Frank Apisa - 07/22/2021[quote="The Anointed"] Good News Bible, Catholic Study Edition; Zephaniah 1: 23; The LORD said, â��I am going to destroy everything on earth, all human beings and animals, birds...

@The Anointed,

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Good News Bible, Catholic Study Edition; Zephaniah 1: 23; The LORD said, “I am going to destroy everything on earth, all human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy the whole human race, and no survivors will be left. I, the LORD, have spoken."

Verse 18; On the day when the LORD shows his fury, not even all their silver and gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end — a sudden end — to everyone who lives on earth.

This happens after the thousand year rule of Christ when Satan is released.

Revelation 20: 7-9; After the thousand years are over, Satan will be let loose from his prison, and he will go out to deceive the nations scattered over the whole world, that is, Gog and Magog. Satan will bring them all together for battle, as many as the grains of sand on the seashore. They spread out over the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people and the city that he loves. But fire came down from heaven and destroyed them.

When, according to the scriptures, does the day of tribulation occur?

If I remember "scriptures" correctly, two things must occur first:

One...Mexico must pay for the wall

Two...Joe Biden must be removed from the presidency and Trump re-installed.

Within a billion years of those two things happening...the day of tribulation will occur

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@Frank Apisa,

Yes! Well we all know that you are unconcerned and uncommitted on any subject at issue, and that you wouldn't have a clue as to what the scriptures reveal. So why don't you just remain in your little dark dungeon of ignorance, later on, I might get a sledge hammer and crack it open and let a little light shine in for you.

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@The Anointed,

Jubilees 4: 30; 30 And he (ADAM) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: 'On the day that you eat thereof you shall die.' For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

A day referred to in this instance is one thousand years, the seventh day is "The Day of the Lord," the seventh day from that day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day at the age of 930.

We are now coming to the close of the sixth day in which the great tribulation is to occur, immediately before the great Seventh Day Sabbath, of which Paul states is the future reality of the weekly Sabbath, Colossians 2: 16-17; "So let no one make rules about what you eat or drink or about holy days or the New Moon Festival or the Sabbath. 17All such things are only a shadow of things in the future, etc.

The Great Tribulation is to be the war to end all wars and if not for the intervention of the Lord, no flesh would survive.

The great seventh day Sabbath is the day referred to by the Lord as revealed in Acts 17: 31; "For he, (The Lord) has fixed a 'DAY' in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a 'MAN' he has 'CHOSEN'. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that 'MAN' from death!”

Jesus will rule the world for one thousand years, with the chosen 144,000 who will take the thrones that have been prepared for them and rule as kings with Jesus for the thousand years.

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@The Anointed,

The Anointed wrote:

Yes! Well we all know that you are unconcerned and uncommitted on any subject at issue, and that you wouldn't have a clue as to what the scriptures reveal. So why don't you just remain in your little dark dungeon of ignorance, later on, I might get a sledge hammer and crack it open and let a little light shine in for you.

You are as ignorant of whether there are any gods or not as I. The real difference between us in that respect is that I am honest enough to acknowledge that I do not know. You continue to pretend you do...and the only person you fool is yourself.

You cannot even "let the light in" for yourself...let alone for anyone else.

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@Frank Apisa,

No pretence here youngen, I 'KNOW' that the eternal who has neither beginning or end has become this boundless cosmos, I know that he is no respecter of man and bestows his blessings on the righteous and wicked alike, and send his disasters on the wicked and righteous alike.

I know that your body has evolved from the first life form to have crawled out of the primordial waters of the earth, and has evolved to become that body, by the gathering of the spirits=gathered information of all your ancestors, which dwell within the inner most sanctuary of that tabernacle behind the veil of the flesh, and that 'YOU' the mind=spirit, have become the Supreme personality of godhead to that body, by the gathering of information through the senses of that body.

If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and “YOU” who are spirit [Gathered information] could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality or “CONTROLLING GODHEAD” to that body, which godhead should be an obedient servant to “WHO YOU ARE.” "That is, if you know "WHO YOU ARE."

Your body, and the evolved parental spirit that dwells within that body, and 'YOU' the mind that has developed as the supreme controller of that body, are one being.

And so it is with the LOGOS God, who has become this universal body, wherein the inner spiritual dimension that co-exists within this three dimensional body, also develops a Supreme Personality of Godhead, who, with the universal body and the indwelling righteous spirit, is one being.

The Most high within this body was mankind who was made Lord of creatures, but it is 'The Son of Man' who is Lord of the creation itself, (This Universal Body) and he is your God, whether you like it or not.

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@The Anointed,

Continued from my previous post.

It is "THE SON OF MAN' who is the 'MOST HIGH' to have developed within this universal body who is Lord of all creation, or lord of this universal body.

And it is He, of who Jesus refers to in Matthew 25: 31; " When the Son of Man comes as King and all the angels with him, he will sit on his royal throne, 32and the people of all the nations will be gathered before him. Then he will divide them into two groups, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the righteous people on his right and the others on his left. 34Then the King will say to the people on his right, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father! Come and possess the kingdom which has been prepared for you ever since the creation of the world. 35I was hungry and you fed me, thirsty and you gave me a drink; I was a stranger and you received me in your homes, 36naked and you clothed me; I was sick and you took care of me, in prison and you visited me.’

37 “The righteous will then answer him, ‘When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you a drink? 38When did we ever see you a stranger and welcome you in our homes, or naked and clothe you? 39When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?’ 40The King will reply, ‘I tell you, whenever you did this for one of the least important of these members of my family, you did it for me!’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels! 42I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink; 43I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; I was sick and in prison but you would not take care of me.’

This is He who is referred to in Revelation 21: 5-8; the one who sits on the throne who said, “And now I make all things new!” He also said to me, “Write this, because these words are true and can be trusted.” And he said, “It is done! I am the first and the last, the beginning and the end. To anyone who is thirsty I will give the right to drink from the spring of the water of life without paying for it.

Those who win the victory will receive this from me: I will be their God, and they will be my children. 8But cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, those who practise magic, those who worship idols, and all liars — the place for them is the lake burning with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

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@The Anointed,

Interesting blabbage. Im always amazed at the story lines all the scriptures ,both those "inclued" and those dismissed by the "Goddidit Inc" squad, all come down to total acceptance of what cannot be proven or even have an inkling of evidence presnted. It all made up BS from some folks who wish to hold your life in their hands with some hocky puck about life after death.

I see in Oz, the govt has recently apologized for the harm done to xhildren by the Jhovah's , Witnesses, Saints, Adventists, Mary BAker Eddyists, Catholics an several other wacky cults .

You seem to try to spin your bullshit tales from a mid point of some kind of Ecclesiastical Authority. Never too far into the abyss of Jesus deniers, but always in doubt about mainstream Christianity.

How long have you been a Witness?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

The Anointed wrote:

Yes! Well we all know that you are unconcerned and uncommitted on any subject at issue, and that you wouldn't have a clue as to what the scriptures reveal. So why don't you just remain in your little dark dungeon of ignorance, later on, I might get a sledge hammer and crack it open and let a little light shine in for you.

You are as ignorant of whether there are any gods or not as I. The real difference between us in that respect is that I am honest enough to acknowledge that I do not know. You continue to pretend you do...and the only person you fool is yourself.

You cannot even "let the light in" for yourself...let alone for anyone else.

Frank Apisa and I have had our disagreements, but about this person we are in 100% lockstep.

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@farmerman,

Please supply any evidence that you have, which disproves that the universal temperature was 180 million trillion, trillion degrees Fahrenheit at the moment that the singularity of origin was spatially separated in the event that is called 'THE BIG BANG', and the evidence that you believe supports your erroneous belief that the electromagnetic energy that was spewed out, in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, has not become this entire universe and all herein?

Or agree that the greatest scientific minds of today are correct and there is no such thing as matter, but all is created from atoms, which, if you were to observe the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of “INVISIBLE ENERGY”, not tangible matter.

From the link provided: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nothing-solid-everything-energy-scientists-explain-world-djurisic

Or do you refuse to accept that the 'INVISIBLE ENERGY" has become all that exists, the universe and every life form that "IT" has become?

Do you honestly believe that mankind closes the book of evolution, and that He is to stand on the top rung of the ladder of evolution for all time, and there is none that will evolve from mankind, or, according to our erroneous concept of one directional linear time, does not already exist in a future time dimension?

Come on mate, keep lying to yourself and reveal to all, the word blind, science and biblical ignorant individual that you are, who has no weapon with which to win a debate, other than your foul mouthed insults, in your futile attempt to drive your opponent away.

Enjoy what's left of your life on earth old mate.

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The real tribulation is thread after thread on this same subject by the same person.

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@The Anointed,

tink that science does not play with proving negatives. You have a postulate ,Its up to YOU to provide evidence, otherwise youre just firing for effect.

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@The Anointed,

The Anointed wrote:

No pretence here youngen, I 'KNOW' that the eternal who has neither beginning or end has become this boundless cosmos, I know that he is no respecter of man and bestows his blessings on the righteous and wicked alike, and send his disasters on the wicked and righteous alike.

As I said...you are as ignorant of whether there are any gods or not as am I.

The real difference between us in that respect is that I am honest enough to acknowledge that I do not know. You continue to pretend you do...and the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Not sure what that "youngen" is supposed to mean, but since I am going to turn 85 in a few weeks, it should not mean "young one."

So...continue to ramble. We have people like you stop in from time to time to spew their nonsense. We tolerate it...even though it gets old quickly.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

The Anointed wrote:

Yes! Well we all know that you are unconcerned and uncommitted on any subject at issue, and that you wouldn't have a clue as to what the scriptures reveal. So why don't you just remain in your little dark dungeon of ignorance, later on, I might get a sledge hammer and crack it open and let a little light shine in for you.

You are as ignorant of whether there are any gods or not as I. The real difference between us in that respect is that I am honest enough to acknowledge that I do not know. You continue to pretend you do...and the only person you fool is yourself.

You cannot even "let the light in" for yourself...let alone for anyone else.

Frank Apisa and I have had our disagreements, but about this person we are in 100% lockstep.

Thanks, Snood. These people do come along from time to time...but this one seems especially off the wall.

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@The Anointed,

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Do you honestly believe that mankind closes the book of evolution, and that He is to stand on the top rung of the ladder of evolution for all time, and there is none that will evolve from mankind, or, according to our erroneous concept of one directional linear time, does not already exist in a future time dimension?

now you are just making **** up nd throwing it in my direction. Show me where Ive said that or implied it. Im little annoyed t how you attempt to plant your babbling onto others when actually, you author some silly **** that has no basis in truth, fact or hypothesis. Ive known other Witnesses and most of them re similRLY disposed to invent thoughts for others.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

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Do you honestly believe that mankind closes the book of evolution, and that He is to stand on the top rung of the ladder of evolution for all time, and there is none that will evolve from mankind, or, according to our erroneous concept of one directional linear time, does not already exist in a future time dimension?
now you are just making **** up nd throwing it in my direction. Show me where Ive said that or implied it. Im little annoyed t how you attempt to plant your babbling onto others when actually, you author some silly **** that has no basis in truth, fact or hypothesis. Ive known other Witnesses and most of them re similRLY disposed to invent thoughts for others.

This guy has already done that "inventing" crap with me twice.

And when you call his bullshit to his attention, he does not have the ethical wherewithal to even acknowledge the mistake...let alone give an apology. I suspect he may be doing the inventing on purpose.

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@Frank Apisa,

medved used to do that. He accused his correspondent of things never said to try to slip some kind of crap in. With medved the issue was fossils of hominids from the Carboniferous.

I see that a-nointed is often uninformed too. He lecturing som folk about the origins of life and missed the point entirely (he was trying to ID it up)

Hes kind of a dickhead who gets facts as wikis and doesnt think what they can mean

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@farmerman,

I realise that you refuse to answer any question that will reveal your ignorance to the subject at issue. I certainly don't believe that mankind closes the book of the evolution of Life on this planet, but then, I can be truthful, unlike you poor atheist who has been pushed into a corner and know that if you were to answer that question truthfully you would be cramped into a tighter spot than you already are.

How simple is it to reveal whether or not one believes that mankind, the seemly Most High in the creation, closes the book of evolution?

Apparently it's much to difficult for the likes of you.

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@The Anointed,

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I certainly don't believe that mankind closes the book of the evolution of Life on this planet, but then, I can be truthful, unlike you poor atheist who has been pushed into a corner and know that if you were to answer that question truthfully you would be cramped into a tighter spot than you already are.

Ive been on record for years saying that evolution is an ongoing process. Consider sherpas and their lungs.

Youre just a poor soul who cannot understand what he "looks up in Wikepedia". If you wish to understand evolution theory and what vidence reveals, just ask, Ill try to help.
Be as insulting as you wish, I can always stoop to your level by becoming bitter and an angry old man like you. I choose not to because each day presents new things to learn. Stuff that is lden with scientiic evidence. Whatve you got besides the need to present Scripture as valid proof for anything.

In the meantime stop trying to construct and force fit crap onto me as if I said it.
Youre just lying in an effort to not sound too "Fundamental"

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How simple is it to reveal whether or not one believes that mankind, the seemly Most High in the creation, closes the book of evolution

Now that makes no sense at all

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@farmerman,

Well old mate, I could never stoop to your level, with your foul mouthed insults. I have no desire to crawl into your cess pit, from where your verbal dysentery originates.

I am not referring to minor changes in any specific species, but the evolution of a new species evolving from mankind, a being so superior to man, that
mankind would be subject to that new life form. Just as our animal ancestors had to bow before man's superiority. Man, the Lord of creatures.

I choose to present scientific evidence as proof that the scriptures concerning the Eternal being who has neither beginning or end, has become this universal body as the womb in which his only begotten son, 'THE SON OF MAN' the MOST HIGH in the creation is formed and is Lord of creation itself.

It's what you refuse to say and not what you have said that concerns me. So please reveal the STUFF that you believe is (IDEN) with scientific evidence, which scientific evidence, as all intelligent people know, Identifies, 'THAT WHICH CAN NEVER BE CREATED AND NEVER BE DESTROYED,' and proves, that which was in the beginning has become this universal body and all the life forms within.

But we know that you can never find any evidence to disprove the fact, that the eternal who has neither beginning or end has become all that exists.

Enjoy the rest of your hopeless life on this earth old mate. For the atheist has no hope beyond the death and decomposition of their body. Unless of course, you have scientific evidence that the mind which develops within the body, continues to live on after the first death.

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