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Can someone say something so dumb that it qualifies as an assult?

 
 
Cotton1212
 
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Sun 20 Jun, 2021 08:40 am
@BennytheJet,
Yes me too. I was in a conversation and we’re talking about text messages and evidently if you include a period at the end of a sentence it can be seen as being aggressive. Yes, it insulted everyone and he was almost involved in an assault lol.
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Brandon9000
 
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Sun 20 Jun, 2021 09:34 am
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

Tell that to the Muslims or Blacks or Indigenous or Jewish or Palestinian or, or, or... peoples.

Words are words, physical violence is physical violence. Everyone has the right to an opinion and to express it.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 21 Jun, 2021 09:39 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

Mame wrote:

Tell that to the Muslims or Blacks or Indigenous or Jewish or Palestinian or, or, or... peoples.

Words are words, physical violence is physical violence. Everyone has the right to an opinion and to express it.


When Jews and Palestinians yell insults at each other, who is the victim and who is the aggressor?

Native Americans and African Americans have had conflicts too. There were Native Americans who owned African slaves. And African-Americans who who benefitted from formally Native American land. History is complicated.

This division of the world into White and not-White doesn't often make sense.

If you are going to restrict what people say, it should ve based on what is being said rather than on who is sayong it.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 21 Jun, 2021 06:01 pm
@maxdancona,
Black Lives Matter is having a problem with antisemitism in its ranks. Some of the slogans are questionable; "Isreal is the source of police vuolence" has been seen on signs.

More troubling is the vandalism of synagogues during George Floyd protests and chants of "dirty Jews". And the ties to virulently antisemitic groups like Farrakhan's Nation of Islam.

It is strange that a person can be both anti-racist and antisemitic.
Mame
 
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Mon 21 Jun, 2021 06:22 pm
@maxdancona,
There are always wingnuts that attach themselves to legit groups, you should know that. It's called the Fringe Element, or just idiots tagging on. It doesn't mean that the group itself is bad; it's just infected, and it happens all the time.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 21 Jun, 2021 07:04 pm
@Mame,
No Mame, you are missing the point.

There is no simple narrative that fits all of the facts. There a wide range of beliefs and goals and stories. If you are looking for a simplistic story; Whites are racist, Blacks are victims, you are going to have problems with the actual facts. The facts turn out to be more complicated than an absolute ideological narrative can hold.

If I am an extremist on anything, it is on Free Speech. I believe that other than clear examples of imminent threats or slander, people should be allowed to express any view no matter how much it offends anyone. Feminists, Socialists, Anarchists, and Nazis all should be protected by free speech. If I am offended by any of them, that is my problem.

I bring up the Black Lives Matter example because to challenge the idea that White people should have fewer free speech rights than people of color. It is far from a fringe... anti-Israel sentiment is pretty common on the left, and the line between opposition to Israel and antisemitism is often blurry.

The answer isn't to protect people from being offended. These issues are complicated and involve legitimate often conflicting interests of real people It is impossible to do real work in changing society without offending people.

Freedom of expression is a basic human right. It belongs to everyone.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 21 Jun, 2021 07:25 pm
@maxdancona,
I doubt the experience of being insulted or discounted or alienated or excluded or unfairly treated is any less traumatic for a White heterosexual male than it is for anyone else.

I dont see any reason that it would be.
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maxdancona
 
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Tue 22 Jun, 2021 08:08 pm
Without question, I have White Priviledge. I am genetically mostly Northern European (with a Jewish branch via Italy... which is where my name comes from). I am the very definition of White.

My parents were both educated. I grew up in a upper middle class town with a great well-funded schools. I was given pretty amazing experiences including being introduced to computers in the early 1970s (as a kid before the Apple 1 was released).

I was groomed to go to college and I was given the expectation to succeed. I had to work a little, but my path was cleared for me and everything was lined up by the time I got there.

So.. I understand what White Privilege is and how I benefitted from it.

However... what about White people living in poverty in Appalachia? There are White people who barely get by, who don't have good schools. Their parents aren't educated. There isn't extra money or time or opportunities or experiences.

I think the Democrats make a big mistake. When you go to someone who has no education, no prospect for a good job and barely makes it by and tell them that they have "privilege".... I am sure you see the problem.

This is political narrative that has a legitimate meaning. However, as with any ideological narrative, it doesn't always apply.
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oralloy
 
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Mon 28 Jun, 2021 10:52 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
When Jews and Palestinians yell insults at each other, who is the victim and who is the aggressor?

The Palestinians are the aggressors.
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oralloy
 
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Mon 28 Jun, 2021 10:53 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
It is strange that a person can be both anti-racist and antisemitic.

BLM are not anti-racist. They are racist.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 28 Jun, 2021 12:22 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

maxdancona wrote:
It is strange that a person can be both anti-racist and antisemitic.

BLM are not anti-racist. They are racist.


Nuh huh!!! I asked them. And they say YOU'RE the racist!

(Heeheeheee...)
oralloy
 
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Mon 28 Jun, 2021 12:36 pm
@maxdancona,
They're lying. Progressives do that quite a bit.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 28 Jun, 2021 01:18 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

They're lying. Progressives do that quite a bit.


They say you're the one who is lying. And they say you are a gun nut and that you smell funny....

(Teeee heeee heee )
oralloy
 
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Mon 28 Jun, 2021 01:32 pm
@maxdancona,
Liars do falsely accuse others of lying. The fact remains, they are the ones who are lying.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 28 Jun, 2021 01:39 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Liars do falsely accuse others of lying. The fact remains, they are the ones who are lying.


They say YOU are the one who is lying

(this is more fun than I thought it would be.... let's see when he gets the point).
oralloy
 
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Mon 28 Jun, 2021 02:11 pm
@maxdancona,
I addressed this in my previous post.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 28 Jun, 2021 03:05 pm
@oralloy,
So you are falsely accusing them of falsely accusing you of lying.

Do I have that right?

I think they are also falsely accusing you of falsely accusing them of falsely accusing them of falsely lying too.

This is all getting so confusing (but damn! it is fun)
oralloy
 
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Mon 28 Jun, 2021 08:24 pm
@maxdancona,
No. Everything I say is true.

Note the fact that I can provide actual examples of BLM being just as racist as the KKK.

Note the fact that no one can provide any examples of racism on my part.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 28 Jun, 2021 08:30 pm
@oralloy,
They say everything they say is true. Everything anyone says on the internet is true (just ask them).

And yes, they can provide just as many examples of racism from you can as you can provide from BLM. That is because when they are talking about you, they get to define racism anyway they want (which is exactly what you are doing).

For anyone readying this, hopefully it is obvious that I think both the conservatives and liberals on this thread are really silly.
oralloy
 
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Mon 28 Jun, 2021 10:20 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
They say everything they say is true. Everything anyone says on the internet is true (just ask them).

They cannot provide cites to back up what they say.

I can provide cites to back up what I say.


maxdancona wrote:
And yes, they can provide just as many examples of racism from you can as you can provide from BLM.

Wrong. No one can provide any examples of racism on my part.


maxdancona wrote:
That is because when they are talking about you, they get to define racism anyway they want

What you are saying here is that they will lie about me. Racism has a fixed definition.


maxdancona wrote:
(which is exactly what you are doing).

No I'm not. I am using the normal English language definition.

Here. From Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th Edition (which can be fairly regarded as the official dictionary of the English language):

* Feelings or actions of hatred and bigotry toward a person or persons because of their race.

* Any program or practice of racial discrimination, segregation, etc., specif., such a program or practice that upholds the political or economic domination of one race over another or others.

* Belief in or doctrine asserting racial differences in character, intelligence, etc. and the superiority of one race over another or others: racist doctrine also, typically, seeks to maintain the supposed purity of a race or the races.


Regarding my choice of dictionary, note:

"The college edition is the official desk dictionary of the Associated Press,[6][7] The New York Times,[8] The Wall Street Journal,[9] The Washington Post,[10] and United Press International.[11]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster's_New_World_Dictionary


I am using the middle of those three definitions in my accusations against BLM.

No one can provide any evidence of racism on my part using any of those three definitions.
 

 
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