The Derek Chauvin Trial

@Rebelofnj,

Rebelofnj wrote:

And what if these vigilantes were wrong and the suspects were entirely innocent?

Then they kill innocent people. That should have been obvious even for someone like you.

Rebelofnj wrote:

Real life is not like the Death Wish films, where one can simply circumvent law enforcement and due process.

Sure it is. How many of these urban killings go unsolved?

Rebelofnj wrote:

And to save time, I'll write O's response.

You lack the intelligence to speak for me.

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@oralloy,

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Then they kill innocent people. That should have been obvious even for someone like you.

Then why encourage people to kill and risk being pursued by law enforcement or even other vigilantes? It is like you want to perpetuate a cycle of violence.

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You lack the intelligence to speak for me.

I just copied and pasted your own words from previous posts. I didn't make up anything.

And now I'll just post what I assume is your response to this (because you are dreadfully predictable) (again these are your own words from this very thread)

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No delusion on my end.

I'm not sure if it is appropriate to call you delusional when your problem is that you aren't smart enough to comprehend reality.

Regardless, you are the one who has the difficulty perceiving reality.

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@oralloy,

You make the topic/subject about whatever you write - no one else can do that for you. No one else controls your brain as you decide what to write. No one else controls your fingers as you type your words. Not a single person else is responsible for what you and your fingers type. You are entirely responsible for what you write.

Same principle goes for every single person on this planet - they are each responsible for their own words, and their own writings.

You, and you alone, made your writings specifically about race.

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Oralloy supports the slaughter of schoolchildren by the NRA.

He has never given a **** about innocent lives.

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@izzythepush,

You are lying when you say I support the slaughter of schoolchildren.

You are lying when you say the NRA kills schoolchildren.

You are lying when you say I don't care about innocent lives.

You don't lie as much as vikorr does though, when he falsely accuses people of his own racism.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

You make the topic/subject about whatever you write - no one else can do that for you.

Wrong. Quite often I address topics that other people raise.

vikorr wrote:

You, and you alone, made your writings specifically about race.

Only when I am addressing your racism.

That's a plural "your". It does include you personally. But it also includes all other progressives.

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@Rebelofnj,

Rebelofnj wrote:

Then why encourage people to kill and risk being pursued by law enforcement or even other vigilantes?

Because white people have just as much right to be safe from those who try to rape and murder them as anyone else does.

Rebelofnj wrote:

It is like you want to perpetuate a cycle of violence.

You aren't smart enough to draw conclusions.

Rebelofnj wrote:

I just copied and pasted your own words from previous posts. I didn't make up anything.

Nonetheless, you are not smart enough to speak for me.

Rebelofnj wrote:

And now I'll just post what I assume is your response to this (because you are dreadfully predictable) (again these are your own words from this very thread)

Again, you are not smart enough to speak for me.

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@oralloy,

And you can address any of the topics you responded to based on principles...which you chose not to do......but rather you chose to make your writings specifically about race.

Race never needs to come into statements of principle like:
- every person has the right to defend themselves (see, no race required)
- every person has the right to be safe (see, no race required)
- no-one should engage in double standards (see, no race required)
- we should see each other as human (see, no race required)
- we should try and understand perspectives of both sides (see, no race required)

...which type of statements were all that were necesary to a response.

If someone breached that, then you can discuss the breach of principle (which again, requires no race be identified). No one else typed your racialised writings for you.

If a group (police/jails/army etc) as a whole has a pattern of breaches of such principles, then the talk is always qualified with something like 'some members'. Blanket statements about any group inherently require double standards - in order to be 'true'.

But from your responses so far, I am reminded that people are able to justify any of their ugly behaviours to themselves. It seems unlikely that you will take a moment to reflect on how you can remove your own racism from your writings & conversations. It's not justified because 'they started it!' - that's childrens logic. Us v them, and double standards are not justified in either direction. In both directions, it's racism.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

And you can address any of the topics you responded to based on principles...which you chose not to do......but rather you chose to make your writings specifically about race.

It's the best way of confronting racists like you.

vikorr wrote:

Race never needs to come into statements of principle like:
- every person has the right to defend themselves (see, no race required)
- every person has the right to be safe (see, no race required)
- no-one should engage in double standards (see, no race required)
- we should see each other as human (see, no race required)
- we should try and understand perspectives of both sides (see, no race required)

...which type of statements were all that were necesary to a response.

Your anti-white racism targets white people. Therefore it is appropriate to refer to white people as the ones who are under attack.

I'm sure you racists would like it if no one ever mentioned that white people have rights. But too bad for you.

vikorr wrote:

It seems unlikely that you will take a moment to reflect on how you can remove your own racism from your writings & conversations.

There is no racism in my posts. YOU are the racist here.

vikorr wrote:

It's not justified because 'they started it!' - that's childrens logic.

I do not require justification for addressing and condemning your racist comments.

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@oralloy,

You demonstrate an inability to argue against any of the issues...which means you see the issues.

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your racist comments.

not that you've ever been able to quote an example......and even if - once again, person A engaging in racism, does not justify person B engaging in racism. Both person A and Person B are entirely responsible for any racism they engage in, and any racist comments they make.

You cannot get around the fact that each person is responsible for their own words. It's not possible to do. No one else can control your brain.

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@vikorr,

Let me put it this way:
- I am solely responsible for any racist comments I make
- you are solely responsible for any racists comments you make
- every other person is solely responsbile for any racists comments they make
- engaging in accusations etc. back and forth changes none of the above. Each retains responsiblity for their own words.

No one else can control your mind or your fingers as you type. You can 'blame' all you want - the responsibility for the words you utter or write - is always your own responsibility.

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@vikorr,

So in other words, you are responsible for being a racist, and I am responsible for taking a stand against your racism.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

You demonstrate an inability to argue against any of the issues

That is another one of your lies. I argue against your racism continuously.

vikorr wrote:

not that you've ever been able to quote an example

That is pretty hypocritical even by your particularly low standards. You cannot quote any examples of racism on my part. All you have is your lies.

But if you want an example of progressive racism, when progressives say that they support Black Lives Matter, that is an example of racism.

vikorr wrote:

......and even if - once again, person A engaging in racism, does not justify person B engaging in racism. Both person A and Person B are entirely responsible for any racism they engage in, and any racist comments they make.

"Confronting your racism" is not racism, and you are lying (again) when you claim otherwise.

vikorr wrote:

You cannot get around the fact that each person is responsible for their own words. It's not possible to do.

I have no need to do such a thing. I am proud to stand against your racism.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

So in other words, you are responsible for being a racist, and I am responsible for taking a stand against your racism.

No, that's not in other words ..... thats the exact opposite. You have intentionally misrepresented (lied) his actual statements. It's breathtakingly dishonest but apparently it's the only way you know how to inflate your own sense of worth. It's as if you are male succubus tar baby that sucks the joy and sanity out of everyone unlucky enough to come in contact with you. This is the second response I written to you today, and I hate to waste my time, which is what I have done. It will be the last response today, because it's pointless, but every once in a while I hope you might take a minute and consider how your bizarre behaviour works for you. I don't think you are capable of self reflection but as a parent and grand parent and former manager I hate to see people self-destruct. You never know if you make a difference, it's just difficult (but not impossible) to not even try to help.

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@glitterbag,

Wrong. I did not misrepresent anything. You are just too stupid to understand the discussion.

You do not make any difference. You would have to know what you are talking about before you could be capable of making a difference.

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@oralloy,

Glitterbag is quite correct in how your summary completely misrepresented the point of what I was saying (even while if I write anything racist, then I am in fact responsible for what I write. Same principle applies to anyone who writes anything racist - you, and each other individual are responsible for your own words).

However, I am not surprised your response - it is in keeping with your writings.

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@vikorr,

Hardly.

To start with, she did not say that I misrepresented the point of what you said. She said (wrongly) that I outright misrepresented what you said. She is not even capable of recognizing the point of anything that either of us says.

Additionally, I made no attempt to represent the point of what you said, so she would have been wrong had she made such an accusation.

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@oralloy,

Yep, you did.

A valid summary of something I was saying would be something like:

- anytime anyone says something racist, they are being racist, no matter the circumstance.

- we are each responsible for anything we say, no matter the circumstance (and this includes anything racist we say)

Or similar.

Being responsible for fighting against something (which is a social principle) is beyond the scope of my point (which is about personal/internal principle). You could argue it for yourself, but it is has little to do with my point.

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@vikorr,

You are lying again. I made no attempt to represent your point.

I prefer to make my own points. Your points suck because you are so dishonorable.

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@oralloy,

Keh - that is what both Glitterbag and I said you were not doing. But you implied same when you said "So in other words (obviously refering to my words & what I was saying - but with a twist of your perspective on it), you are responsible for being a racist, and I am responsible for taking a stand against your racism."

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