The Derek Chauvin Trial

Actually Bill's initial comment on the moral character of an ethnic group was about Laotians.

I think it is a little funny in a thread about racial justice. That's all.

I think this is a compelling argument and it will sway the jury. I don't see how these guys get convicted.

Politics, religion and work groupings define newly created ethnic groupings faster than any other factors in modern, highly informed, upwardly and geographically mobile societies in America today.

Rules tend to be the same today as they have really always been. The Republican party is following fairly closely the rules set down in Mein Kampf. It is the job of the Dems to insure the prophesy isn't fulfilled! Guess who the Fuhrer is?

Ethnic is a direct subset of a Race. It can spread across races, political groups and religions. Ethnic groups will be more egocentric than race, religion, politics, etc but could be directly lead by any of these super groups!

I believe religion can be a more unifying force on ethnic groups. New religions have been spun off in past as a need to have political and culturally singular groups of like minded people. Dress is one soco quality societies have to distinguish ethnic groups. Even towns have spring outside of cities for these groups to live together.

That might indeed be an effective defense.

One possible counter argument:

There were 12-20 witnesses a short 30 feet away. Every single one of them were trying to tell Chauvin and the other officers that they were killing Floyd. Several of them testified under oath that they felt responsible for not stopping Chauvin from killing Floyd Among those witnesses were people who had professional knowledge of what dying by asphyxia looks like. The off-duty EMT and the MMA fighter were both certain from where they stood that Floyd was being suffocated.

A defense argument of the three officers that says they couldn’t know that Floyd was dying might be an effective defense.

But on the other hand I think a skilled prosecutor might make that argument look downright silly.

I object to your implication that some ethnic groups are more violent than others. You were using the ethnicity of one person to judge his moral character.

You are also wrong that ethnicity is a subset of race. That is ridiculous. An ethnicity is "Latin-American"... there are several races in that ethnicity.

But your attempt to judge someone's propensity to violence by their ethnicity is the problem.

Yep, the other other side of the argument is:
- (I believe) they get training in positional asphyxiation at their academy
- Floyd said 20 odd times he couldn't breathe
- bystanders kept telling them that he couldn't breathe
- anyone with a minimum of knowledge would realise kneeling on a neck restricts a persons ability to breathe properly
- his struggles weakened over time, indicating that he was running out of breath
- at least one of them thought they should roll him on his side to ease his breathing, indicating it was a concern
- the had an obligation to use the minimum force necessary to carry out their duties (otherwise is excessive force)
- they owed a duty of care to ensure that he could breathe / maintain the necessities of life
- Chauvin felt a need to check for a pulse, indicating that his state of consciousness was a concern (of course they may not have seen that, or they may have presumed it was done because of concern for the drugs in Floyd's system + his stillness)

If the EMT & MMA fighter feared Floyd's death, then I'm not sure why they didn't identify their skills, and tell Chauvin that Floyd was at risk of dying (Rather than saying he can't breathe...I haven't read where they did, but if they did, it is much more damning of any police officer who heard it).

I don't think any rookie purposely goes out to particate in a slow homicide. The question that arises is whether or not they suspected that is what was being done (the other part of deciding guilt we all know - no one did anything to stop it). So as I see it, the issue of their guilt depends on both knowledge (of the risks of death) & care owed to the necessities of life - ie breathing (care owed depends on either knowledge or a reasonable suspicion of care being needed), rather than any other particular argument.

I think the prosecution will make a good case. I just don't think that it will be enough to overcome the doubts that will arise.

I didn't judge violent, you did. I judged a group to be nonviolent. Kinda tells me something about you!

This post was reported.

Ok.... If all ethnicities are nonviolent, then you are are OK I guess. But I don't know why you would single out just one ethnic group as being "nonviolent". If you are saying that some ethinic groups are more violent than others, that is a different thing.

Don't judge people based on their ethnic group. I think this is a reasonable standard.

It is a troll with only one post. I almost reported it as well - then I voted it down so that I no longer needed to see it. The individual is obviously disturbed.

And this was this person’s FIRST post. Auspicious start, huh?

Oh, did I mention that the ethnic group is called the Hmong and they are very good warriors? In fact, they worked with the CIA and America during the Viet Nam era to keep the North out of Laos and run the Ho Chi Ming trail through Laos. Of course, this is a culture thousands of years old. Only culture in the Americas that old are Native American Tribes.

BTW, I do not write posts for you to like or dislike. I could care less what you think about what I have written in the past.

Might be a duplicate account.

It sure could be. Whoever it was couldn’t WAIT to direct the slimiest, rawest racist insults at me. Almost like someone who’s already interacted with me. Almost like the coward couldn’t wait to attack from anonymity.

Exactly what I was thinking. I know of one bot creator who knows how to be completely anonymous. In the end, for me, it only shines (or should that be dims) a light on the ignorant sender of the message.

Cowardly m-f

What happened???

If you scroll back a few posts here, you’ll see where some “new” member sent me some raw gutter racist slurs.

It has been removed now!