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NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION disbanded by Fed Judge.

 
 
Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2020 12:25 pm
It appears that the organization is but a"weekend" party vehicle for its officers and gun Mfrs.
Im sure the ACLU will represent LaPierre on a Constitutional basis. Now all the gun nutz will have to change their feelings about the ACLU cause the NRA now needs em.

Will it be a criminal case (based on 'emoluments") or will it be civil case??
 
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2020 12:29 pm
@farmerman,
Would have been nice for you to add a contextual link for such a big revelation.

Nothing is immediately coming up from a brief Google search beyond the NY state Attorney General and her legal pursuit to disband the criminal nonprofit organization.

Nothing is coming up on NY Times or NPR.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2020 12:32 pm
@tsarstepan,
Whether you did or did not jump the gun Farmerman with your absolute title of this thread.

Updated as of 2:00 PM/14:00 hours.
New York Attorney General Moves To Dissolve The NRA After Fraud Investigation
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2020 12:47 pm
@tsarstepan,
hmm, My wife aiid she heqrd that a fed judge, acting on recc of NYS , did the deed. I hope its right. The NR is an anethema to ownership of guns. It serves no purpose anymore.
SEE, I see it this way, If the Trumpies feel we dont need the voters Act anymore , I feel that the NRA, as a "protector of our 2nd amendment rights" is also not needed anymore.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2020 01:11 pm
@farmerman,
I've been trying to catch up on that story. But I did find this from NPR "New York Attorney General Moves To Dissolve The NRA After Fraud Investigation"


farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2020 03:56 pm
@glitterbag,
yeh, it a case pending. The AG has filed a civil suit at this time. Maybe a criminal one will follow. I was a little bit jumping the gun. The AG just filed, no judge has yet ruled. MY BAD!!
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2020 04:01 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

I've been trying to catch up on that story. But I did find this from NPR "New York Attorney General Moves To Dissolve The NRA After Fraud Investigation"




You mean the article I posted about two posts above yours? That's some good journalistic research going on there. Rolling Eyes
Dr Sliptinschit
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2020 05:31 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
yeh, it a case pending. The AG has filed a civil suit at this time. Maybe a criminal one will follow. I was a little bit jumping the gun. The AG just filed, no judge has yet ruled. MY BAD!!


Do your homework before you post.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2020 06:43 pm
@tsarstepan,
Having a bad day again...are we? Maybe I should start reading your posts again.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2020 07:50 pm
@Dr Sliptinschit,
If you and Trump can pull shyt out of your ass why shouldent the rest of us have the right to do the same?
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2020 07:53 pm
@Dr Sliptinschit,
Its todays news Dr Dipschitt. So mind your own cereal bowl
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2020 01:01 am
@Dr Sliptinschit,
Dr Sliptinschit wrote:

Quote:
yeh, it a case pending. The AG has filed a civil suit at this time. Maybe a criminal one will follow. I was a little bit jumping the gun. The AG just filed, no judge has yet ruled. MY BAD!!


Do your homework before you post.


Are you the Hall Monitor? You are, well you're in the wrong place skippy.
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2020 07:42 am
Heather Cox Richardson wrote:
Last night, the New York Attorney General’s Press Office announced that Attorney General Letitia James would make “a major national announcement” today at 11:30 AM. When she appeared, she announced she was launching a lawsuit to disband the National Rifle Association (NRA).

The NRA was chartered in New York in 1871, in part to improve the marksmanship of Americans who might be called on to fight another war, and in part to promote in America the British sport of elite shooting. By the 1920s, rifle shooting was a popular sport.

In the 1930s, amid fears of organized crime, the NRA backed federal legislation to limit concealed weapons, prevent possession by criminals, the mentally ill and children, to require all dealers to be licensed, and to require background checks before delivery. NRA officers insisted on the right of citizens to own rifles and handguns, but worked hard to distinguish between, on the one hand, law-abiding citizens who should have access to guns for hunting and target shooting and protection, and on the other hand, criminals and mentally ill people, who should not. The NRA backed the 1934 National Firearms Act, and parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act, designed to stop what seemed to be America’s hurtle toward violence in that turbulent decade.

But in the mid-1970s, a faction in the NRA forced the organization away from sports and toward opposing “gun control.” It formed a political action committee in 1975, and two years later elected a president who abandoned sporting culture and focused instead on “gun rights.”

The NRA had gone into politics. Its officials now opposed all limits on gun ownership, even though basic safety measures have always been popular, even within the NRA’s own membership. In 1980, the NRA endorsed a presidential candidate for the first time ever, standing behind Ronald Reagan. Now a player in national politics, the NRA was awash in money from gun and ammunition manufacturers. By 2000, the NRA was one of the three most powerful lobbies in Washington. It spent more than $40 million on the 2008 election.

In 2016, donations to the NRA jumped sharply. While in 2012, it spent $9 million, and in 2014 it spent $13 million, in 2016, it spent more than $50 million on Republican candidates, including more than $30 million on Trump’s effort to win the White House. This money was vital to Trump, since many other Republican super PACs refused to back him. The NRA spent more money on Trump than any other outside group, including the leading Trump super PAC, which spent $20.3 million.

In February 2018, the top Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, Ron Wyden (D-OR), began an investigation of the NRA, its donors, and its role in the 2016 election.

On July 15, 2018, the federal government arrested Russian national Maria Butina and charged her with “conspiracy to act as an agent of the Russian Federation within the United States without prior registration.” Butina and Russian government official Alexander Torshin began coming to the U.S. for NRA events in 2014. Butina moved to the U.S. in 2016 on a student visa, intending to gain access to the American political system through the NRA and to push U.S. policy closer to Russian interests.

Butina became romantically involved with Republican political operative Paul Erickson, who had worked for Republican insurgent candidate Pat Buchanan in 1992, was friends with criminal lobbyist Jack Abramoff, and later represented John Wayne Bobbitt in media deals after Bobbitt’s wife Lorena cut off his penis with a kitchen knife. (Surgeons reattached it.)

Erickson promised to help Butina gain access to Republican lawmakers. When federal investigators began to monitor Butina, he came to their attention, and they discovered his businesses were designed to defraud investors. In November 2019, Erickson pleaded guilty to wire fraud and money laundering in an unrelated case. Last month, he was sentenced to seven years in federal prison.

But when their NRA scheme was still intact, Butina and Torshin attended NRA annual meetings and other NRA events at the invitation of its leaders, who invited the two to events like the National Prayer Breakfast, where they could meet Republican lawmakers. In turn, Butina and Torshin invited NRA leaders to Moscow, where they met with leaders who promised lucrative business opportunities with Russian oligarchs, including the opportunity to produce weapons for the Russian military. Some of the Russians they met were under sanctions from the U.S. government.

In April 2019, Butina pleaded guilty to working as a foreign agent without registering with the U.S. Department of Justice. She was sentenced to 18 months in prison, a sentence Russian President Vladimir Putin, who insisted she was being railroaded, called “arbitrary.” In September 2019, the Democrats on the U.S. Senate Committee on Finance outlined the work of Butina and Torshin in the U.S., and called the NRA “a foreign asset.”

Butina served 15 months in the Tallahassee Federal Correction Institution before being deported to Moscow. Reporters from RT, the state-sponsored Russian media outlet, traveled on the plane with her. Supporters greeted her at the Moscow airport with flowers and cheers, giving her a hero’s welcome. Once back in Moscow, she said she had been pressured to plead guilty to a crime, but all she was doing was “hosting friendship dinners.” Maria Zakharova, a spokeswoman for Russia's Foreign Ministry, told ABC News: “the only thing she was doing was supporting bilateral relationship and friendship between peoples. ... She did nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong.”

There is at least some reason to wonder if the sudden jump in NRA donations in 2016 had something to do with the Russian oligarchs who were talking with its leaders. When Senator Wyden requested information about their donors, NRA leaders stated categorically they did not accept money from “foreign persons or entities in connection with United States elections,” which is illegal. But then they said it had, in fact, accepted less than $1000 from Torshin, for a membership. And then they told Wyden that it had actually taken money from 25 Russian individuals for memberships or magazine subscriptions, totaling about $2512.85.

This last letter to the senator concluded, “We believe this and our previous letters have provided enough information to address any legitimate concerns about these issues. Therefore, given the extraordinarily time-consuming and burdensome nature of your requests, we must respectfully decline to engage in this beyond the clear answers we have already provided.” Wyden noted that “the notion that all of these important oligarchs who had involvement with the N.R.A. and were close to Putin were spending money on a few magazine subscriptions doesn’t strike me as very plausible.”

The lawsuit announced this morning concerned a different kind of NRA spending. For six and a half years, NRA leaders have misspent funds, lavishing the money of the nonprofit organization on their own lifestyles. In 2015, the NRA had a surplus of almost $28 million. By 2018, it was running a $36 million deficit. This spending came to light after Republican operative Oliver North, a key player in the Iran-Contra Scandal, became president of the organization in September 2018. In April 2019, North called for an investigation into the NRA’s finances and asked longtime chief executive of the organization Wayne LaPierre to resign. LaPierre responded that North was trying to get him out of the organization by threatening to release “damaging” information about him. North resigned.

Now New York Attorney General Letitia James has taken up the issue. She sued LaPierre. She also sued John Frazer, the organization’s general counsel; Josh Powell, a former top lieutenant of LaPierre; and Wilson Phillips, a former chief financial officer. Their trips to the Bahamas, Nieman Marcus clothing, and nights at the Four Season cost the organization $64 million over the past three years. James wants to bar all four men from running non-profits in New York in the future. “It’s clear that the NRA has been failing to carry out its stated mission for many, many years and instead has operated as a breeding ground for greed, abuse and brazen illegality,” James said. “Enough was enough. We needed to step in and dissolve this corporation.”

As James announced her lawsuit, the Washington D.C. Attorney General, Karl Racine, sued NRA Foundation, the organization’s charitable arm that teaches, for example, firearm safety, say it has been diverting funds to the NRA to pay for top official’s spending sprees.

The NRA immediately countersued, claiming James’s lawsuit was about politics, not the law, and that James is violating the First Amendment to the Constitution, which mandates that the government must not hamper free speech. Mr. LaPierre said: “This is an unconstitutional, premeditated attack aiming to dismantle and destroy the N.R.A. — the fiercest defender of America’s freedom at the ballot box for decades. We’re ready for the fight. Bring it on.”

Asked to comment, Trump said “That’s a very terrible thing that just happened. I think the NRA should move to Texas and lead a very good and beautiful life.”
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Dr Sliptinschit
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2020 05:42 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
If you and Trump can pull shyt out of your ass why shouldent the rest of us have the right to do the same?


I don't need to put **** out of my ass. It slides out on its own.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2020 06:50 am
My feelings entirely about NRA. We used to be members (my dad and I) when it was a gun safety and hunting organiation. When it became a political arm of the conservative GOP and DEMS, I lost interest and got into waterfowl hunting mostly. I was always a small gamer and a successful Hunting clay shooter. Ive won gear and game bags and once won a 28 gage fowler double barrel.
NRA has, IMM become a criminal organization and I think this case may highlight that.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2020 08:39 am
@farmerman,
looks like Ollie North and Ted Nugent are cooperating in the suit. Remember, it was OLLIE, not some "left wing radical groups" that started this all.

Its about criminal activity according to RICO
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 11 Aug, 2020 10:51 am
@farmerman,
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It is for the best that Ambrose Burnside is not alive, as New York Attorney General Letitia James has filed a complaint seeking, among other things, the dissolution of the National Rifle Association. For the hapless Burnside, it is one final indignity. Widely ridiculed as an unimaginative Union Army commander in the Civil War, Burnside has only two lasting legacies. First, his facial hair was so prominent that others would sport what would later be called sideburns. Second, he was the first president of the NRA in the 19th century. Now James wants to leave him with only his whiskers.

Her complaint alleges lavish spending by officers, most notably executive vice president Wayne LaPierre. The list includes hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on himself, his wife, family, and friends. It runs from petty to gross, such as gifts from Neiman Marcus, golf memberships, and private jets. When figures like former president Oliver North decided to side with NRA whistleblowers, they were forced out. The NRA has reportedly spent an obscene $100 million on legal fees and the related costs alone.

If there is any hope for the legacy of Burnside, it comes from James. While she claims the NRA has been smeared with self dealing by its leaders, the same complaint could be leveled against her record as attorney general. I previously criticized her for inserting politics into her state office. She ran on the pledge to prosecute Paul Manafort, former campaign manager for Donald Trump. James had not only used the prosecution of an unpopular individual for her own gain but sought to gut the New York constitutional protection against double jeopardy. The case was then dismissed.

James would later call the NRA a “terrorist organization,” a claim which is common among internet trolls, but this was the top New York prosecutor engaging in legal trolling. That is what makes the NRA complaint a tragic irony. If taking power to benefit yourself rather than your organization is the measure, the complaint is a self-indictment. James’ demand to dissolve the NRA in order to pander to voters undermines the case presented by her office. While dissolution is simply absurd, James shows us absurdity and popularity can often move hand in hand in New York politics.

Many organizations have suffered dubious spending by officers, ranging from political parties to nonprofits to universities. None were disbanded. Union and religious leaders are often accused of lavish spending on their travel or other job perks. Few have been prosecuted. The National Action Network of Al Sharpton paid him more than $1 million in compensation in 2018 and another $500,000 for rights to his life story. While it is based in New York, James has not tried to dissolve it or other organizations.

Other cases seeking dissolution undermine the case against the NRA. Five years ago, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman tried to dissolve the National Children Leukemia Foundation after finding that 1 percent of around $10 million in donations went to cancer victims, including almost no money spent on its “Make a Dream Come True” program. Its president turned out to be a felon who ran the organization out of his basement. A settlement was reached and the charity was voluntarily shut down.

The NRA is not run out of a basement, and it spends large sums of money on its firearms lobbying and training programs. It is, by any measure, one of the most successful advocacy groups in our history. It has more than 5 million members and is the largest and most influential gun rights organization in the world. Whatever complaints can be raised over the spending habits of its officers, the NRA is undoubtedly a successful enterprise. Indeed, many lawmakers have denounced its influence in Washington, since low scores from the NRA can mean defeat for politicians who face close races.

James is not disregarding the implications of a Democratic official seeking to destroy one of the most powerful conservative groups in the country in an election year. By contrast, she seems to revel in that image. She knows liberals are thrilled by the idea of disbanding the NRA. She is now revered as a hero by those who view no problem in her past declaring the group a terrorist organization and now trying to dissolve the group as a fraudulent organization. It has been a political campaign in search of lawful rationale for years, however, the allegation is not as important as the target.
The HILL Paper 8/7/20
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