And when someone is NOT trying to hurt you, but you kill him neverthekess, it's murder. What you do here, with the blessing of a2k, is apologise for murderers, day in and day out.
That is incorrect. I have never apologized for a murderer.
I only justify cases of lawful self defense.
0 Replies
maxdancona
2
Reply
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 06:29 am
This is a silly argument.
Oralloy is factually wrong about what constitutes self-defense. His mistake could be fixed with a quick Google check, but instead he chooses to just make stuff up.
There is really no point to having a discussion when the basic premise is based on incorrect assumptions.
Really Oralloy, you should learn to google for yourself. The law varies from state to state, but the Minnesota statute seems appropriate.
Quote:
In order for the taking of a life to be justified for this reason, four conditions must be met.
First, the defendant’s act must have been done in the belief that it was necessary to avert death or great bodily harm.
Second, the judgment of the defendant as to the gravity of the peril to which (he) (she) (or another) was exposed must have been reasonable under the circumstances.
Third, the defendant’s election to defend must have been such as a reasonable person would have made in light of the danger perceived and the existence of any alternative way of avoiding the peril.
Fourth, there was no reasonable possibility of retreat to avoid the danger. All four conditions must be met.
Your quote did go into more detail than my statement. But that does not mean that they contradict each other.
0 Replies
oralloy
-1
Reply
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 02:42 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
neptuneblue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
I'd point a gun at a stranger who tried that with one of my cats. Although I don't think I would actually fire if he didn't try anything further.
This is totally irresponsible and dangerous. Weapons should not be used as an intimidation factor. You pull a gun, you use it. That's what it's there for, not for some trivialized situation that can be de-escalated in other ways.
I understand the doctrine that you are advocating. But I don't see any other response that would be appropriate to deal with the severity of the threat.
I changed my mind. You're right. If it ever gets to the point where my cats are in danger it's straight to the three S's.
