Nether socialist nor liberal am I

I meant pompous and ignorant. Mea culpa.

If the narrow ideological bubble you are in (along with everyone else on this thread) is not "liberal" or "socialist", then what is it. I don't care what you call it. It is still a partisan group in lockstep agreement.

The issue is the need to insult anyone outside of your group. It is a us versus them mentality. When an outsider makes a valid point you stick the doctrine.

We are divided into two ideologically extreme sides. That is not good for us as a society.

Why don't we just say I am all of the above

I am a pompous, misogynist, ugly, ignorant, idiotic, humorless fascist with no reading comprehension skills and horrible decorating sense and no understanding of British comedy. Did I miss anything?

That doesn't take away from the point that I am making. In fact, that is the point that I am making. You sit inside your narrow ideological bubble and hurl insults at the outsiders. That is why we have such a divided society.

When is the last time you honestly considered a perspective that is outside of your bubble?

Attention seeking control freak.

Your point is nonsense, I’m not even part of your society.

It’s not about ideological bubbles, it’s about the rise of the far right. You want to make common ground with people who excuse racist murders and believe it’s acceptable to abuse someone if there’s a slight chance they may be a Muslim.

There’s a very strong stink of the Neville Chamberlain about you.

Now you can whine about how Bob is stalking you by starting a thread that has nothing to do with you whatsoever.

Your definition of a ‘narrow ideological bubble,’ would include Sturgis, Roger and me whose main area of agreement is that we’re not Nazis and don’t want to see Nazis in power.

That’s it.

You’re not a moderate at all. I know most of your posts are about how you sit squarely in the centre of politics and have a unique insight not afforded to us lesser mortals.

You may even be sincere in that belief, but it’s wrong. Moderates like you helped the Nazis get into power because they thought they could control Hitler, they couldn’t.

Why would you drag Roger into this? Roger is nothing like you and he is not here to defend himself. I don't always agree with him, but I have nothing but respect for him. I doubt he wants you to use him this way.


You are a nasty person.

I’m not dragging anyone into this. You claim we’re living in a narrow ideological bubble. By definition that would include others I post on the same threads as who I don’t argue with.

You really don’t get words do you?

That may have been true a few years ago but when we have the swastika being displayed by pro Trump marchers, and pro Trump posters on A2K justifying racist murders then Nazi is an appropriate term.

You continue cutting and pasting Oralloy, it suits you.

Roger is not a bubblehead. Sturgis is so eager to please you; I am still not sure he isn't your sock puppet.

Now I remember, it’s a term Hawkeye used to use.

I know you’re hardly original, but you could use a better source.

I think the thing that is so maddening about you is the inability to discuss. You try to take control of the current of the discussion and try to wrap it around how brilliant you are. You might be brilliant but your arrogance totally over shadows it. My life does not revolve around you and your petty-assed assessments. We're talking about the issues I feel are important to me and not how they stack up in your value system. Most people wrap their value around their ego, but you do just the opposite and have the temerity to judge others by the standard of you.

How about just for once discussing the ******* issues and leaving your ego and judgemental bullshit at home? Just for ******* once? Just for one time?

Your asides to imaginary audiences I can almost tolerate, but lets face it: there's only 150 or so members active here and no more that eight will bother to read the tripe we sow and maybe only five will respond, so take that egotistical magisterial demeanor of yours down several notches for the love of mike.

Exactly, all he’s interested in arguing for argument’s sake. That and telling everyone how clever he is.

I have no problem "discussing the issues". Your problem is that a "discussion" involves looking at an issue from more than one point of view.

There is narrow group here that responds with insults to anyone who challenges their point of view.

If I am not here... who are you going to have a "discussion with"?

Bobsal: Trump is a fascist.
Izzy: Oh yes Trump is a fascist because he sacked Flynn.
Sturgis: Trump is a fascist because of the border wall.
Izzy: That's a good boy Sturgis
Sturgis: And Trump's followers are all fascists.
Bobsal: Yes, Trump is a fascist and his followers too.
All: Good discussion.

Some discussion.

If you want to make Able2know a more respectful place open to better discussions, then start with yourself. For one thing, you might stop applauding the childish attacks from your own side. They make me less likely to even try.

This is like a rivival meeting. Hooray for us, they are all fascists and idiots.

I’ve not said anything about Flynn. You’re every bit as delusional as Oralloy.

There you go again. And quoting an imaginary conversation at that. You're the intellectual fascist here, bubba.

You can argue that a match isn't as hot as the sun in a discussion about match safety but it'll still give you a third degree burn. Go ahead, take your alternate opinion and prove me wrong. I'd pay to see that.

Maybe you're schizoid enough to hold several contradictory opinions at once but that's really not necessarily considered a sign of brightness, your big bubble outlook not withstanding.

When you go vote, do you claim more than one vote? After all: one manifestation, one vote? Its a big bubble world in that narrow little mind of yours. You're like a certain little pig who once claimed "all animals are equal, some are more equal than others" as he chomped down another lamb chop.

I don't buy into your bubble. Why don't you ignore me for being such stupid git? Neither you nor I enjoy these "interactions". Its all my fault. Teach me a lesson and leave me alone in my ignorance.

If you don't enjoy these interactions, you shouldn't run around calling people fascists. Take responsibility for your own actions. I do.

You are actively making able2know a nastier place. You shouldn't be complaining about it.

What do you love about able2know? The nastiness? The name-calling?

You say I am the "fly in the ointment". I am happy with that role. Without me, Able2know will be dominated by an insular, nasty, group that all thinks alike and insults anyone who doesn't fall in line. I tried for a while to get an agreement about civil discussion. You may have notice that I have given that up.

Izzy is the nastiest person on able2know as far as off-topic attacks and childish name calling. You tacitly accept Izzy's behavior because Izzy is in your ideological bubble. What matters is that he agrees with your politics. It doesn't matter how people act. You only care that people agree with you.

You say you want discussion. I don't believe it. You applaud insults by anyone on your side and attack anyone who questions your political team.

Is this what you love about able2know?

If someone is a fascist, that's not on me.




For the fun of it, demonstrate where in my op I mentioned "Trump", "Izzy", "Sturges"? Show me who it was that brought up "Trump is a fascist"?

Show one of your posts where you discussed anything other than me, izzy, Sturges, Trump, yourself and your self proclaimed brilliance.

Dipstick.