That what you say may be true of me,I really dont have the necessary patience to be more avuncular with folks who havent spent time learning about what they opine. However, I think that waiting until you have the same understanding available to farmers ad stock breeders then perhaps you should follow your closing admonition.
I find that, on the internet, folks rarely admit error and ,to maintain "big face", they try to keep an argument going with minor changes of their original point in subsequent posts so that by 4 pages later, their comments and statements have changed over 180 degrees without anything in error admitted .
That sounds right. If you point out some specific error I've made in a way that I can review your reasons and/or data that proves me wrong, I will admit when I am convinced, and I am not biased against being convinced of something I don't already agree with.
However, when animals are getting raised for meat by feeding them corn, soy, and wheat that could be fed to humans; that just seems obviously wasteful.
To know exactly how wasteful it is, you'd have to calculate how many pounds of soy, corn, and wheat are fed to cows per pound of meat harvested; not to mention how much water is used to raise the animal, clean its pen, clean the slaughterhouse, clean the butcher shop, etc. etc.
If you set up a meatless-meat factory on a farm that grows the soy/wheat that the meatless-meat is made from, it would have a much smaller carbon/land footprint than having a slaughterhouse and butcher shop on the same land where animals are being raised for slaughter.
The net is no place for intelligent debate really. We already have too many guys who are experts on so many things. Im two inches wide but a mild deep. Theres only about 3 or 4 things Ill argue about and farming happens to be one.
Internet discussion is disappointing compared with what we expected when it started. Public discourse, nevertheless, remains the ideal forum to support liberty and democracy. The fact that it is constantly under attack by all sorts of unconstructive, negative distraction is no reason to give up on it, just as the inefficiencies of democracy and liberty are no reason to give into authoritarianism/fascism/socialism.
Honest people are able to disagree in a way that is constructive and raises each others' awareness of things they didn't know before the discussion. Such disagreement is better than avoiding discussions because you're not an expert in some aspect of the topic you're discussing.