@harpazo,
harpazo wrote:
Just like humans, animals were affected by the curse of sin but they are not sinners. Jesus did not die to save animals. Animals do not have a soul. Only humans have a soul that survives physical death. Your thoughts?
This is a controversial subject, but interesting to speculate about.
A good starting point, imo, is to note the similarity between more emotional human behavior and that of animals. When we say that someone is behaving 'like an animal,' it means they have lost conscious/intentional control and have given in to reacting to their emotions/desires.
I don't think that animals are completely devoid of reflective consciousness and intent, but I think even the most thoughtful and foresighted animals have very simple and fleeting thoughts compared with even the most animalistic humans.
To the extent that animals can't choose to sin, they aren't accountable for it. If an attack dog was used as part of Jesus' crucifixion, He could include forgiveness of the dog when He said, "forgive them they know not what they do," except that would imply that the dog has the capacity to know what it's doing, but it really doesn't; i.e. because it is just behaving instinctually and following commands/training.
According to philosophies of reincarnation, animals do have souls, which get reincarnated, and humans may well get reincarnated as animals if doing so helps them to fulfill certain karmas they have built up during their human lives, such as sexual lust, desire for killing, etc. By being reborn as an animal, humans could get through such karmas without bringing further karma upon themselves; i.e. they are only reaping what they have sowed by choices they made as sentient/conscious/intentional humans. As animals have only instincts/reflexes, they can only go through their fates without exercising conscious/intentional choice in their actions.
You could say that animals have souls that experience the animal's senses, desires, pain, etc. like a passenger in a vehicle without much if any control over the vehicle, whereas humans develop more control and thus responsibility for our actions.
Also, if you think in terms of reincarnation, then the negative experiences of this world are hell, in spiritual terms. So by being reborn into life after life of suffering, we are going through hell and 'paying our karma.' In terms of 'purgatory,' it may all be part of a spiritual process of purging sin by experiencing sin's negative consequences in various ways until we gain the awareness that motivates us to give up the sin and seek redemption.
From that perspective, animals could be vehicles for the soul in one of two ways: 1) they are opportunities for souls to reincarnate from a human existence into an animal body where we can go through karmas and suffering without the ability to sin further. 2) they are souls that have not yet live as humans, who are going through processes of familiarization with the various experiences different kinds of bodies are prone to having; sort of the way the fetus goes through different stages in the womb that resemble different species.
Either way, souls inhabiting an animal or other non-human body could later receive a human birth in order to have the ability to choose salvation and redemption over sin.
Some Christians don't believe in purgatory at all; while some may believe it cannot exist through reincarnation in this world. I, personally, can't see any reason the materialities of this world and the suffering they bring can't be thought of as states of purgatory. Like Dante's inferno, there can be various levels of Hell, and we can variously ascend and descend as part of the suffering/purge.
Eventually, I'd like to think that all souls can see the light and become saved to gradually ascend to Heaven with God, but some people will disagree and say that there is eternal damnation that can't be overcome if one isn't already saved before dying. If there is reincarnation, however, then why wouldn't the possibility be there to accept salvation in each subsequent life? Of course people can keep forgoing it and suffering on and on, but they could also accept it and begin the long process of salvation and ascent to God.