How a Witch Hunt Works

@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

That is exactly how loyal religous followers work. Your defense is based on doctrine (rather than fact).

That is incorrect. My defense is based on fact.

maxdancona wrote:

No one can poke holes in someone else's doctrine.

They can if that doctrine is flawed.

Your inability to poke any holes in my argument stems entirely from the fact that there are no flaws in my position.

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@livinglava,

livinglava wrote:

It's funny that laws against witchcraft have been struck from legal codes

It's an impossibility defence here in Germany. (The "superstitious attempt" - here: the attempt to "bewitch" people - is not punitive, because de iure the perpetrator "trusts in the effectiveness of non-existent or, according to the state of scientific knowledge, at least unverifiable magical powers".)

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@oralloy,

There is a real trial going on in the Senate. There are serious discussions... discussions that we as a democratic nation need to have about

- The appropriateness of Trump's actions with Ukraine
- The role of impeachment and impact on the upcoming elections
- Constitutional issues on the extent of presidential power and the ability to a president to defy congressional subpoenas that he feels aren't legal.
- The extent of congressional power.

These are real issues where intelligent people on both sides are wrestling with difficult Constitutional topics and foundational ideas about who we are as a country.

You are spewing 3 pages of nonsense based on a tweet from Trump that happened months ago. Who cares?

How is this not silly?

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

There is a real trial going on in the Senate. There are serious discussions... discussions that we as a democratic nation need to have about

- The appropriateness of Trump's actions with Ukraine
- The role of impeachment and impact on the upcoming elections
- Constitutional issues on the extent of presidential power and the ability to a president to defy congressional subpoenas that he feels aren't legal.
- The extent of congressional power.

These are real issues where intelligent people on both sides are wrestling with difficult Constitutional topics and foundational ideas about who we are as a country.

No one is wrestling with anything. No one is bothering with these issues.

We will of course see on election day if this had any impact on the elections. I encourage Republicans to go strongly negative on attack ads against any Democrat from a conservative district who voted for impeachment.

maxdancona wrote:

You are spewing 3 pages of nonsense based on a tweet from Trump that happened months ago. Who cares?

I have not said anything at all about any tweet at all.

While facts are frequently inconvenient for progressives, facts are not nonsense.

I have not spewed three pages of posts. This thread has only three pages to begin with, and I only recently started posting in it.

maxdancona wrote:

How is this not silly?

Because it is a straightforward factual challenge to your untrue claim about the validity of calling this a witch hunt.

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@oralloy,

actually its not a witch hunt. Its really a cover-up.

We will have to wait for Bolton's book and then see whether the mashould be impeached again.

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@oralloy,

Yeah, Yeah

It is a witch hunt because your Dear Leader says it is a witch hunt. They are facts because the Dear Leader says their facts. You are right, I can't argue with your logic.

Of course, if this were a Democratic president on trial for holding up foreign aid funds for personal political gain... your understanding of facts would be completely different.

The difference between my facts and your facts are that mine don't depend on which political side they benefit. But sure... if you base your facts on "Trump good.... liberals bad".... then there is no way to argue with them.

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@maxdancona,

with this act, (acquittal) weve finally become a freedom hating oligarchy.

Im beginning to actually believe that ollie is a Russian hackr like gunga snake.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

actually its not a witch hunt. Its really a cover-up.

When Democrats abuse the law to harm people who disagree with them, that's a witch hunt.

farmerman wrote:

We will have to wait for Bolton's book and then see whether the man should be impeached again.

Do you want the Democrats to be wiped out in the 2020 election?

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

It is a witch hunt because your Dear Leader says it is a witch hunt.

The reason why you are incapable of addressing my facts has nothing to do with President Trump or anything that he has said.

maxdancona wrote:

They are facts because the Dear Leader says their facts.

Reality is reality no matter what the President says about anything.

maxdancona wrote:

You are right, I can't argue with your logic.

Of course you can't. No one can. But it is poor form to try to obfuscate by referring to unrelated claims by the President.

maxdancona wrote:

Of course, if this were a Democratic president on trial for holding up foreign aid funds for personal political gain... your understanding of facts would be completely different.

That depends. In this climate where the Democrats keep conducting witch hunts against people who disagree with them, I think it's fair for people to return the favor and conduct witch hunts against them as well.

They removed Mr. Nixon over nothing. I'm fine with a Democrat being unjustly removed in return.

But if Democrats had not been abusing the law and conducting these witch hunts, I would oppose conducting witch hunts against them.

maxdancona wrote:

The difference between my facts and your facts are that mine don't depend on which political side they benefit. But sure... if you base your facts on "Trump good.... liberals bad".... then there is no way to argue with them.

Setting aside the fact that I am not basing my facts on that, that really has nothing to do with whether someone can argue against facts.

The only reason why people cannot argue against facts is because facts are true.

If a purported factual claim is not true, I have no trouble arguing against it. If the untrue claim is based on someone's ideology, that doesn't impede my arguments in the slightest.

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@oralloy,

when GOP hides the facts and denies the truth as they are doing , thats a cover up.

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@farmerman,

What facts/truth are they hiding/denying?

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@oralloy,

you that stupid? or do you just play the dunce on A2K?

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@farmerman,

I'm considerably more intelligent than you are.

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@oralloy,

So youve said. This dwelling on ones IQ must be really important to your self esteem . When you post **** like youve jut done, youve already lost.

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As Shakespeare put it in As You Like It: "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool."

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@oralloy,

Quote:

They removed Mr.Nixon over nothing.

You truly need to read a few (heck, even one) history books.

Nixon stepped down when he realized all his shenanigans to hide the truth had failed. He knew the things which were soon to be revealed, would doom him and end his presidency. In one of his few decent and noble moments, he resigned. (or maybe he did so in order to spare the nation from seeing him cry as he was carried out)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

livinglava wrote:
It's funny that laws against witchcraft have been struck from legal codes
It's an impossibility defence here in Germany. (The "superstitious attempt" - here: the attempt to "bewitch" people - is not punitive, because de iure the perpetrator "trusts in the effectiveness of non-existent or, according to the state of scientific knowledge, at least unverifiable magical powers".)

I don't think witchcraft involves supernatural or magical powers.

I think it is just a game of weaving emotion and rhetorical tactics into steering social power against certain targets/scapegoats.

In the Salem Witch Trials, the little girls either pretended or truly experienced themselves as seeing 'figures' and people believed them because they were interested in how the spirit world could interact with living people; but it ended up just being a scam to wrest people's property away from them by getting them put in jail and/or hanged.

One story I remember in particular that's very interesting was that one of the people being hanged began to recite the Lord's Prayer and the audience paid attention because a witch was not supposed to be able to do that; but then the hangman told the crowd that it was just the devil trying to trick them into cancelling the hanging, and so the people backed off and allowed the hanging to continue.

I see it sort of like a magic act or other game of illusion, except instead of trying to trick your audience into thinking you made something disappear, you trick them into turning against some individual(s), typically for political-economic reasons.

So it is pretty obvious that Trump was being witch-hunted consistently from even before the election. There's a left-wing desperation to control government, and they absolutely hate Republicans who threaten political-economic stability at the global level.

It's really just a form of majoritarianism, i.e. angry mob attacking individuals and minorities who don't submit to the collective power of the majority and/or regime of power that controls local majorities via their economic interests.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

This dwelling on ones IQ must be really important to your self esteem .

Dare I point out that the only reason why we are discussing my IQ is because YOU are dwelling on it?

Or will my posting of this fact lead to another progressive temper tantrum?

farmerman wrote:

When you post **** like youve jut done, youve already lost.

You've completely failed to even try to challenge my points. No losses on my end.

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@Sturgis,

Sturgis wrote:

You truly need to read a few (heck, even one) history books.

Not really. I am already fully informed. That is why you are unable to point out any errors in my posts.

Sturgis wrote:

Nixon stepped down when he realized all his shenanigans to hide the truth had failed. He knew the things which were soon to be revealed, would doom him and end his presidency. In one of his few decent and noble moments, he resigned. (or maybe he did so in order to spare the nation from seeing him cry as he was carried out)

This does not change the reality that Mr. Nixon did nothing wrong and the Democrats lynched him over nothing.

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@oralloy,

I still think you are still confused about what a fact is. You are spouting one-sided political ideology and calling it "facts". A fact needs to be testable in a independent way, and falsifiable (you should be able to tell me what evidence would get you to admit your fact is "false").

You are spouting the most simplistic political dogma and calling it facts. And you are ignoring any evidence that doesn't fit your narrow ideological narrative.

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