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NASA admits they can't send people through the Van Allen Belts

 
 
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 18 Oct, 2019 01:12 pm
@alphabeta,
This is something they have known since the 1960's.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 19 Oct, 2019 08:44 am
@alphabeta,


What complete nonsense by the crazies that denial the moon landings.

I along with millions watch in person the moon ships taking off and feel the ground shake from the power of the rockets.

We have the technology to go to the moon in the late 60s but we still do not have the technology to fake going to the moon in front of the whole world with a hundred of thousands or so people involved it the project.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 19 Oct, 2019 09:01 am
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/jillianscudder/2017/06/16/astroquizzical-van-allen-belts-barrier-spaceflight/

For the Apollo trips, we wanted to send the astronauts through a sparse region of the belts, and to try and get through them quickly. This was necessary in any case; the crafts had to make it to the Moon in a reasonable amount of time, and the shorter the trip, the less exposure to all sorts of radiation the astronauts would get.
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alphabeta
 
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Reply Sat 2 Nov, 2019 07:49 am
@BillRM,
You saw the rockets take off. You saw the astronauts return. You don't know what happened in between except from what you saw on television.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 2 Nov, 2019 03:55 pm
@alphabeta,
alphabeta wrote:

You saw the rockets take off. You saw the astronauts return. You don't know what happened in between except from what you saw on television.


Sure as it is was for some reason easier to fake the moon landings then to do them in the first place.

You do perhaps know to this day there are laser reflectors placed on the moon by the Apollo missions an now that we have some low a altitude moon Satellites able to see the Apollo landing sites in detail.

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https://www.google.com/search?q=moon+landing+sites+hardware+in+detail&oq=&aqs=

Mar 13, 2012 · The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has been in orbit around the moon since June 2009. The $504 million car-sized spacecraft first captured close-up images of the Apollo landing sites in July 2009, which revealed new details about the sites and even spotted hardware that was left behind on the lunar surface.
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I would suggest giving up the silliness of there not being moon landings.
alphabeta
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 03:38 am
@BillRM,
The Russians also put reflectors on the moon. They did it robotically. So the presence of a reflector on the moon does not prove a manned moon landing. Nor do photographs of Apollo landing sites. Rockets have been to the moon and left equipment behind. But no person has ever been to the moon or even orbited it. No one has ever been more than 300 miles above the earth's surface.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 10:01 am
@alphabeta,
alphabeta wrote:

The Russians also put reflectors on the moon. They did it robotically. So the presence of a reflector on the moon does not prove a manned moon landing. Nor do photographs of Apollo landing sites. Rockets have been to the moon and left equipment behind. But no person has ever been to the moon or even orbited it. No one has ever been more than 300 miles above the earth's surface.


So the lower stages of the lunar landers is meaningless to you along with such hardware as moon rovers an on and on and on.

Once more you are being silly indeed.
alphabeta
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 11:30 am
@BillRM,
The Russians put moon rovers on the moon - Lunokhod 1 and Lunokhod 2. They did it robotically.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 11:55 am
@alphabeta,
alphabeta wrote:

The Russians put moon rovers on the moon - Lunokhod 1 and Lunokhod 2. They did it robotically.


An the fact that the 1960s rovers are clearly design for manual operation with seats and steering wheels as seem in the pictures from orbit mean what to you ?

An of course the lower stages of the landers is in plain sight in those pictures along with even footprints for that matter.

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Images taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter mission beginning in July 2009 show the six Apollo Lunar Module descent stages, Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Package (ALSEP) science experiments, astronaut footpaths, and lunar rover tire tracks. ... All of the sites have since been re-imaged at higher resolution.


Once more how silly can you remain?

https://www.space.com/12796-photos-apollo-moon-landing-sites-lro.html
alphabeta
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 12:41 pm
@BillRM,
A photograph showing a footprint? If you believe that, you will believe anything.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 12:45 pm
@alphabeta,
alphabeta wrote:

A photograph showing a footprint? If you believe that, you will believe anything.


That how I feel about your nonsense. In any case please refer to the link given and there is nothing at all surprising about current technology allowing pictures showing footprints from very very low moon orbit.
alphabeta
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 12:56 pm
@BillRM,
The photographs taken recently of the Apollo landing sites were all taken by NASA, the same people who faked the footage of the astronauts walking on the moon.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 01:33 pm
@alphabeta,
alphabeta wrote:

The photographs taken recently of the Apollo landing sites were all taken by NASA, the same people who faked the footage of the astronauts walking on the moon.


So you think that a cover up involving tens of thousands could go on for over fifty years or more. In fact to this very day.

My my given that our government have a hard time keeping military secrets for far shorter time periods an yet all those thousands of in the know NASA employees kept such a ongoing secret for over half a century!!! Footnote not all the in the know people would be NASA employees as there would also be a lot of subcontracts.

By the way once the rockets was launch in front of tens of thousands of onlookers, including myself two times, what the hell did they do with them until the landings in the ocean?

If you placed the ships in low earth orbit for a few days anyone with a low power backyard telescope would had seem them.

Come on with this nonsense.

alphabeta
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 01:44 pm
@BillRM,
Only a few of those involved in the Apollo missions had an overall view of the project e.g. Bill Kaysing, and he blew the whistle.

Apollo 11 was in low earth orbit between taking off and landing in the ocean. This is certain, because there is a video of them faking being halfway to the moon. The video was accidentally released by NASA. Clips of it can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xJyhkScXbQ

The astronauts are filming a partial view of the earth through the window whilst they are in low earth orbit. They have blacked out the interior of the spacecraft to make it look as though it is the whole earth from 130 000 miles away. They are also faking a time delay: a voice can be heard from ground control telling them when to talk.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 02:25 pm
@alphabeta,
alphabeta wrote:

Only a few of those involved in the Apollo missions had an overall view of the project e.g. Bill Kaysing, and he blew the whistle.

Apollo 11 was in low earth orbit between taking off and landing in the ocean. This is certain, because there is a video of them faking being halfway to the moon. The video was accidentally released by NASA. Clips of it can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xJyhkScXbQ

The astronauts are filming a partial view of the earth through the window whilst they are in low earth orbit. They have blacked out the interior of the spacecraft to make it look as though it is the whole earth from 130 000 miles away. They are also faking a time delay: a voice can be heard from ground control telling them when to talk.


Amazing nonsense and how did they avoid all the tens of thousands people using backyard telescopes?

Hell I can remember spotting far smaller satellites with the naked eyes so give me a break that a Apollo ship could spend anytime in low earth orbit without being seem.

Not that the hams also who was monitoring the Apollo 11 radio signals would not have taken note of the ship being in orbit an not on the way to the moon for that mattery to the moon f

Come on you can not reality believe this nonsense you been posting.

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http://www.arrl.org/eavesdropping-on-apollo-11

The nearly forgotten story of how a radio amateur successfully detected transmissions from the first men to land on the Moon.

In July of 1969 a ham radio operator and amateur radio-astronomer by the name of Larry Baysinger, W4EJA, accomplished an amazing feat. He independently detected radio transmissions from the Apollo 11 astronauts on the lunar surface. Fortunately, his accomplishments were recorded by Glenn Rutherford, a young reporter for the Louisville (Kentucky) Courier-Journal. “Lunar Eavesdropping: Louisvillians hear moon walk talk on homemade equipment,” sporting Rutherford’s byline, appeared in the Wednesday, July 23, 1969 issue of that paper — front page of section B, the local news section (see Figure 1).

Rutherford opened the Courier story with “Thanks to some homemade electronic equipment, including a rebuilt 20 year old radio receiver from an Army tank (see Figure 2) and an antenna made of spare pieces of aluminum, nylon cord and chicken wire (see Figure 3 and 4), a small band of Louisvillians was able to ‘eavesdrop’ Sunday (July 20) night on the American astronauts’ conversation directly from the moon.”

The story discussed how Baysinger recorded 35 minutes of conversation from VHF signals transmitted between astronauts Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins (he did not attempt to pick up the encoded S-band signals from the main Moon-Earth communication link).1 These 35 minutes included the time during which President Richard Nixon transmitted a message of congratulations to the astronauts.

Rutherford’s story briefly mentioned how Baysinger had been previously successful in constructing a device to detect radio signals from Jupiter and in tracking and reproducing pictures transmitted from Earth-orbiting satellites. It briefly described the antenna used for the lunar eavesdropping project — a fully steerable 8 × 12 foot “corner horn” — and it briefly discussed the amazing sensitivity of the receiver, which Baysinger specially modified for the lunar eavesdropping project. Rutherford finished the story with “Needless to say, the receiver worked to perfection Sunday night.”

Baysinger’s accomplishment earned him some brief recognition — a meeting with the Collins Radio Company, which supplied the communications systems for the Apollo spacecraft. Collins was impressed with Baysinger’s work. Then the story faded into the mists of time. “Lunar Eavesdropping” quietly sat in the rolls of microfilmed Courier-Journal editions in the reference sections of (mostly Kentucky) libraries, awaiting rediscovery.

Providence brought “Lunar Eavesdropping” back to light this summer. Rutherford, now an assistant editor of the central Kentucky newspaper The Record, was interviewing me concerning the productive history-of-astronomy research program operated out of the Jefferson Community & Technical College observatory. Our discussion drifted into the subject of science being done in unexpected places by a small homegrown operation (such as a Kentucky community college observatory).

This prompted Rutherford to mention Baysinger’s work and the attention he got from the Collins Company as another example of interesting, homegrown, small-operation science in Louisville. I was immediately intrigued, especially when Rutherford said he did a story on it that appeared in the Courier-Journal.2 He could not recall the exact date, so a few days later I was rummaging through the microfilm collection at the University of Louisville library. I found Rutherford’s story within an hour (with the help of my wife Tina and son Joe).

When I got back to Rutherford about how I was interested in the story and had found it in the July 23, 1969 Courie
alphabeta
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 02:33 pm
@BillRM,
How then do you explain what it is the astronauts are doing, if not faking being halfway to the moon?

I expect the astronauts did speak to President Nixon on the telephone - from low earth orbit. They had to fake a time delay of about 8 seconds.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 02:48 pm
@alphabeta,
alphabeta wrote:

How then do you explain what it is the astronauts are doing, if not faking being halfway to the moon?

I expect the astronauts did speak to President Nixon on the telephone - from low earth orbit. They had to fake a time delay of about 8 seconds.


Once more in low earth orbit they would had been seen by thousands as the hobby of spotting and tracking satellites was popular in that era.
alphabeta
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 03:01 pm
@BillRM,
If someone saw a satellite with a low power telescope, they wouldn't know it was Apollo 11 and would think nothing of it.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2019 03:15 pm
@alphabeta,
alphabeta wrote:

If someone saw a satellite with a low power telescope, they wouldn't know it was Apollo 11 and would think nothing of it.


Sure no one would have a clue if a large satellite appear right after the Apollo 11 lift off and disappear within days and at the same time as Apollo was coming home.
 

 
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