Anthropology anyone

Gracie Allen was the second woman I fell in love with. Jane Mansfield was the first. I was 12 and it's not my fault.

What about Marilyn Monroe? Hayley Mills? Annette For-all-the-Jello?

"I'm not an anthropologist (my degree is in education) but I did perhaps a dozen anthropology courses at university. I have to tell you that I saw no evidence at all to support your statements I've quoted and I'm puzzled as to how you've reached such a conclusion."

People who work in anthropology are terrified of being accused of racism especially those who work for liberal universities, but even working for a conservative university and or having tenure doesn’t protect one’s job. What else would explain the fact that only the very brave speak up when Afrocentrics make outrageous historical claims? People who call themselves historians or anthropologist have a duty to help keep the historical record clean. The ancient Egyptians were not a black nation, Cleopatra and Hannibal were not black and there were no black Roman Emperors. Anyone can have their own opinion but facts belong to everyone.

They even claim that there are two sites in sub-Saharan Africa were iron working was independently discovered. I think that anyone who knows anything about iron making would think it highly unlikely that an area could go directly from the Stone Age to the Iron Age once let alone twice without outside help.

I'm not sure why there is so much fuss about the color of Egyptians or anyone else. We are all the product of all of our ancestors, and none of us has a choice. We are what we are. It's fun and fascinating to study anthropology, race and culture, but we all originated from South Africa. In other words, we are all essentially Africans. We evolved from apelike ancestors. That's the conclusion of scientists who study these things, and I agree with their conclusions.

When I was twelve, I was trained (not at home) to make crude noises when anyone mentioned Marilyn. It wasn't my fault, either.

All second tier.

You haven't studied anthropology at any university and have not studied under any anthropology professors and you haven't read any anthropology texts. How could you possibly imagine you know what you are talking about.
Again, how could you possibly know these things? Have you been attending national or international conferences of anthropologists and historians? You have how many books on your shelf on the history and pre-history of North Africa and the Mediterranean basin? Can you name the "Afrocentrics" you mention and give details on which universities they work at? Can you cite the claims they supposedly make? Can you give evidence that others are intimidated by them?

Let's shortcut this discussion. You are very poorly educated in these fields. You are likely to remain that way because your head is filled with a lot of right wing anti-intellectual (and racist) junk from the internet. Get off your bum and go to school.

Shared innocence. It's why we like each other.

I don’t have time to go into this much now, but who I am what I know is irrelevant the only thing that matters is the truth. And the truth is that outrageous claims should be refuted by every honest person. Black Egypt is taught in some public schools I have seen the text books. Only the truth should be taught. The ancient Egyptians where not a black nation and here is the proof:


https://bigthink.com/philip-perry/were-the-ancient-egyptians-black-or-white-scientists-now-know
Were the ancient Egyptians black or white? Scientists now know
This is the first successful DNA sequencing on ancient Egyptian mummies, ever.

Philip Perry
11 June, 2017
Egyptologists, writers, scholars, and others, have argued the race of the ancient Egyptians since at least the 1970’s. Some today believe they were Sub-Saharan Africans. We can see this interpretation portrayed in Michael Jackson’s 1991 music video for “Remember the Time" from his "Dangerous" album. The video, a 10-minute mini-film, includes performances by Eddie Murphy and Magic Johnson.
Reactionaries, meanwhile, say that there’s never been any significant black civilizations—an utter falsehood, of course. There were several in fact, highly advanced African empires and kingdoms throughout history. Curiously, some extreme Right groups have even used blood group data to proclaim a Nordic origin to King Tutankhamun and his brethren.
The problem, it was thought, is that mummy DNA couldn’t be sequenced. But a group of international researchers, using unique methods, have overcome the barriers to do just that.

They found that the ancient Egyptians were most closely related to the peoples of the Near East, particularly from the Levant. This is the Eastern Mediterranean which today includes the countries of Turkey, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. The mummies used were from the New Kingdom and a later period, (a period later than the Middle Kingdom) when Egypt was under Roman rule.

Egyptian mummy. British Museum. Flikr.
Modern Egyptians share 8% of their genome with central Africans, far more than ancient ones, according to the study, published in the journal Nature Communications. The influx of Sub-Saharan genes only occurred within the last 1,500 years. This could be attributed to the trans-Saharan slave trade or just from regular, long distance trade between the two regions. Improved mobility on the Nile during this period increased trade with the interior, researchers claim.


Egypt over the span of antiquity was conquered many times including by Alexander the Great, by the Greeks, Romans, Arabs, and more. Researchers wanted to know if these constant waves of invaders caused any major genetic changes in the populace over time. Group leader Wolfgang Haak at the Max Planck Institute in Germany said, "The genetics of the Abusir el-Meleq community did not undergo any major shifts during the 1,300 year timespan we studied, suggesting that the population remained genetically relatively unaffected by foreign conquest and rule."
The study was led by archeogeneticist Johannes Krause, also of the Max Planck Institute. Historically, there’s been a problem finding intact DNA from ancient Egyptian mummies. "The hot Egyptian climate, the high humidity levels in many tombs and some of the chemicals used in mummification techniques, contribute to DNA degradation and are thought to make the long-term survival of DNA in Egyptian mummies unlikely,” Dr. Krause said.

The mummified remains of Queen Hatshepsut wet-nurse Sitre-In. Egyptian Museum, Cairo. 2007. Getty Images.
It was also thought that, even if genetic material were recovered, it may not be reliable. Despite this, Krause and colleagues have been able to introduce robust DNA sequencing and verification techniques, and completed the first successful genomic testing on ancient Egyptian mummies.
Each came from Abusir el-Meleq, an archaeological site situated along the Nile, 70 miles (115 km) south of Cairo. This necropolis there houses mummies which display aspects revealing a dedication to the cult of Osiris, the green-skinned god of the afterlife.
First, the mitochondrial genomes from 90 of mummies were taken. From these, Krause and colleagues found that they could get the entire genomes from just three of the mummies in all. For this study, scientists took teeth, bone, and soft tissue samples. The teeth and bones offered the most DNA. They were protected by the soft tissue which has been preserved through the embalming process.
Researchers took these samples back to a lab in Germany. They began by sterilizing the room. Then they put the samples under UV radiation for an hour to sterilize them. From there, they were able to perform DNA sequencing.

Yeahhhhhhhh....Maybe it's time to just stop. Just because you can google something doesn't make it real. Get a library card.

One other remark......do you know why God invented whiskey???? To make sure the Irish didn't conquer the world. Maybe all the mummies were red headed Irish gals............go back to school.

To this point, the only anthropological subject that seems to interest you is this one. I'm going to go out on a limb here and posit that you haven't read such textbooks so don't actually know the content but have just taken someone else's words about them as truthful and accurate. Scholarship isn't done that way. Here's a relevant wikipedia entry...


So...
1) the hypothesis is considered, by the anthropological community, to be a fringe theory that mainstream scholars reject. So your earlier claim that "liberal universities" are pushing the thesis and that scholars at those universities are frightened to criticize it because of "political correctness" are dead wrong. Somebody has been feeding you misinformation and you bought it. You suggest the "truth" is what matters. You're not getting it where ever you are presently reading.

2) the racial component in what you're writing is front and center. That's not a surprise.

I have two library cards and I use them a lot.

That is true just because something is on the internet doesn’t make it valid. I reject a lot I find on the web, but when something can be verified, one of the requirements of science, I accept it. This is from wikipedia I realize not everyone likes it, but it is an easily accessible source information that is usually reliable:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Egyptian_hypothesis
In 2017 a genetic study was conducted on 83 mummies from Abusir in the north of Egypt (near modern-day Cairo), which constituted "the first reliable data set obtained from ancient Egyptians using high-throughput DNA sequencing methods." The study showed that Ancient Egyptians had the greatest affinity for modern Middle Eastern (Arab, Levantine and Anatolian) populations, and had significantly more affinity with southeastern Europeans than with sub-Saharan Africans. Nevertheless, there was a significant sub-Saharan African component in the ancestry of each of the three mummies tested for such ancestry: "absolute estimates of African ancestry using these two methods in the three ancient individuals range from 6 to 15%." This level of sub-Saharan African ancestry is significantly lower than that of modern Egyptians from Abusir, who "range from 14 to 21%

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about concerning race in Egypt. Simply put, all Homo sapiens evolved from primates, and all of us originated from Africa. Reuters: Happy 350,000th birthday: Study pushes back Homo sapiens origins ...
https://www.reuters.com/.../happy-350000th-birthday-study-pushes-back-homo-sapie...
Sep 28, 2017 - The new study and fossil discoveries from Morocco announced in June indicate a much older origin. Homo sapiens emerged on the African landscape following millions of years of human evolution, including a split 600,000 to 700,000 years ago from the lineage that led to the now-extinct Neanderthals. My opinion: Only the Trumps of this world makes race into "I'm better than you!" His kind of bigotry proves the opposite.

Really? Why ?

This odd focus does stand out. The hypothesis longly is speaking of has next to no traction among anthropologists or Egyptologists and gains little attention or concern (it came up nowhere in my anthropology studies at university).

It seems pretty clear that longly has been reading commentary that has a happy home with Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others on the right who do not care about facts but who do spend rather a lot of time derogating blacks (eg the Black Lives Matter movement). This is the same crowd who bemoans "liberal universities" (which almost none of them have attended) and who claim that these universities are fascistic in their suppression of "politically incorrect" ideas/facts.

Interesting outlook on uni education. Most attend uni to learn a trade. It pays off for the majority, and it’s not about socialism. Most who criticize it, probably never attended. BTW, I did visit Egypt, and did the Nile cruise from Cairo to Abu Simbel with my sister. I also took her to Jorden to visit Petra. It was at the request of my nephew who knew I did my share of world travel.

I'm envious. Egypt never captured my attention the way it does for many but I'd love to go there.

find a most recent constructed map of populational "haplogroups" or Short tandem repet alleles. paleoanthropology uses lots of genetic technology anymore.

Go! Spend a couple of days in Cairo to visit the museum to see the hall of mummys and pyramids before you hop on a boat to Abu Simbel. When I took my sister to Egypt, our hotel was next to the Great Pyramids of Giza, and we could see them from our hotel balcony. Also visit the Coptic area where Jesus supposedly hid. I'm not religious, but my sister is. The Valley of the Kings, Hatshepsut Temple, Luxor, Kom Ombo, and several others I forgot the names of. When I visited many decades ago, they were selling gold cartouches with their names on it with Egyptian alphabet at reasonable prices in Cairo, so I bought some for my wife's friends and one big one for her. She never wears it, but she's not a jewelry person even though I have bought her jewelry from my many trips abroad.