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Trying to apply for Italian citizenship (need help/advice)

 
 
xander
 
Reply Wed 25 May, 2005 07:59 am
Ok so here is the situation, I want to become and Italian citizen. my parents were born in Italy in 1925 and 1930 they immigrated to canada in 1951, after they got married. My father became naturalized in 1956, my mother in the other hand went back to italy for a few years and did not get her canadian until 1963. Both my sisters were born before 1963 and can apply for dual citizenship. Because I was born after 1963 I was told I cannot apply.

I tried to find loopholes like maybe the fact that my father was still married to an italian for 7 years before she became naturalized may have reactived his italian citizenship. the embassy was not helpful. They kept saying no to everything and really didn't want to even discuss options with me on the phone.

I want to move to Italy for a very important reason. The problem is the reason itself isn't a recognized one in regards to eleibility for citizenship.

Can anyone offer advise pls?
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andilynn
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2005 11:52 am
Italian Citizenship
Hello,

Both my Mom, Sister and I are applying for Italian Citizenship here in the States. My Mom qualifies because my Grandfather was born in Italy and did not become a citizen until after she was born. My sister and I both qualify through my Grandfather not our father. Was your Grandfather an Italian Citizen and never renounced his citizenship?
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2005 08:47 pm
Countries probably differ on how they handle this type of thing. I know an Argentine couple who will be getting Italian citizenship through her grandfather, who was born in Italy. I think you are able to do that as a US citizen, as well, but I don't know for certain. I imagine Canadian rules work similarly.

Check with the Italian Consulate in a nearby major city.
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xander
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 07:22 am
littlek wrote:
Countries probably differ on how they handle this type of thing. I know an Argentine couple who will be getting Italian citizenship through her grandfather, who was born in Italy. I think you are able to do that as a US citizen, as well, but I don't know for certain. I imagine Canadian rules work similarly.

Check with the Italian Consulate in a nearby major city.


What I was able to find out is , that if I were to live in italy for 3 years I can then apply to become an italian cistizen because my parents were born in italy.

The problem is to get teh visas to stay in italy for the three years I have to prove that im financially independent on doing so every 6 months without needing to work.
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ktflyer
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 02:07 pm
I also am wanting to apply for a dual citizenship with Italy.. My Great Grandmother was born there in the 1800's. She move to the US when when she was 5 years old. I am a blood relative... Do my Mother and I qualify?

Can anyone help?
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bigcar86
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 02:58 pm
Italian citizenship
Hi I am tring to get my italian citizenship. Some people mentioned how one can get it through their grand-parents. Both my grand-parents are still italian citizens. Can someone explain to me the process on how to obtain it this way.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 03:13 pm
I know a guy who became Italian citizen though his great-grandparents.
The process goes through the local "anagrafe" of his relatives home town (my friend had to travel to a lost town in Basilicata) and includes quite a bit of paperwork.
When he applied he wasn't living in Italy, but he had lived there for 6 out of the last 7 years.

Too bad you aren't a pro football/basketball player. Then your team would make all the arrangements, if only to get rid of a "non-UE" slot in the roster.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 03:41 pm
this is part of the imformation from the website of the "italian embassy in ottawa" - see link below for more information .

Quote:

CITIZENSHIP


Italian citizenship is based on the principle of ius sanguinis (blood right) by which a child born of an Italian father or mother is Italian; nevertheless, it must be kept in mind that the mother citizen has only transmitted citizenship to minor children since January 1st 1948 as a result of a ruling by the Constitutional Court. Italian citizenship is currently regulated by Law No. 91 of 5 December 1992, which, unlike the previous law, re-evaluates the importance of individual desire in the gain or loss of citizenship and acknowledges the right to hold citizenship in more than one country, except in the case of the various provisions of international agreements.




WAYS TO BECOME AN ITALIAN CITIZEN
AUTOMATICALLY

1. by having an Italian parent(s);

2. by being born in Italy:

including cases in which the parents are unknown, stateless or do not transmit their own citizenship to their child according to the legislation of the State to which they belong, as well as children found abandoned in Italy and for whom it is impossible to determine status civitatis (citizenship);


3. through paternal or maternal recognition while the child is a minor (in cases in

which the child recognised is no longer a minor, he/she is obliged to elect to become a citizen within one year of recognition);

4. by adoption, both if the foreign minor is adopted by an Italian citizen by means of

the Italian Judicial Authorities, as well as in the case in which adoption is granted abroad and made effective in Italy through a writ, issued by the Juvenile Court and registered with the Civil Registry.

If the adoptee is no longer a minor he/she can become a naturalised Italian citizen after 5 years of legal residence in Italy (see How to Apply: Naturalisation).


if you want to find out how to become an italian citizen , i suggest :

1) you read all the information provided in the link below .

2) gather all the documents required plus any additinal information you might have about your parents ; if your parents original italian passport is still available it would be very useful ; also any documents about the entry into canada would be helpful - usually called a "landing card" ;
if you do not have the immigration document , you may be able to obtain a duplicate - for a fee - from the canadian government .

3) make an appointment at the consulate to discuss your status .

4) if you are not satisfied with the answer from the consulat , phone the embassy and make an appointment for a personal discussion with an embassy official .

keep in mind that the more documentation you have , the better the chance of success ; even old letters and adresses of relatives in italy might be helpful .

finally , you could just gather all your documents and take them to italy to discuss your status with a government official over there .
if you speak italian , your chances of obtaining your citizenship might be better .

do you still have any contact with relatives in italy ?
if not , it might be useful to establish contact and enlist their help .

good luck !
hbg

click on link to :
...ITALIAN EMBASSY...
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xander
 
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Reply Thu 19 Apr, 2007 11:31 am
sheesh I create a topic like 2 years ago and it makes feature.

the above mentions the points that are required for immediate citizenship.

As I said before, if you are able to live in the country for three years and have a bloodline that was cut you are able to apply for citizenship.

Keep in mind that you have to renew yoru visa every six months and have to prove to be financially independent.
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simones
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 03:38 am
italian passport-how to apply?
to anyone who might be able to help me, PRETTY PLEASE!!!
I do qualify for italian citizenship but have been told that if my grandfather was not married (he is italian) when my father was born i cant apply for an italian passport.is this true?ive been struggeling for such a long time and it doesnt seem as if anyone know the right answer!
any info will do
best regards
simone Rolling Eyes
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 05:34 pm
I would forget all about it if I was you and read a few decent books instead. Go fishing maybe. Darn some socks.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 05:42 pm
simones wrote :

Quote:
to anyone who might be able to help me, PRETTY PLEASE!!!


have you CAREFULLY read through this thread ?
have you contacted the italian embassy and made arrangements for an appointment ?
let us know how you make out .
hbg
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thesmithsdoll
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 11:20 am
some offered advice (read it through)
Xander mentioned something about applying for a visa, and needing financial means. I hear that you may only need to reside 2 years (on a visa of course) in order to apply for citizenship, that process though may even take 18 months- so having the financial means is crucial. I suggest inquiring about a student visa (assuming you're competent in Italian, and if not- you can use that time to save money AND become competent). There are tons of Americans, EU, non-EU citizens in Italy, this is something they're used to- issuing student visas. They're good for one year max at a time. The good thing is, Italian (public) universities charge the same rates for home students and foreigners alike, so you wouldn't need to worry about tuition really. They're are all types of schools, it doesn't even need to be college, just anything which can get you a visa. (But what's wrong with having another degree?) The amount of $ you need to show may be from 500 to 1000 dollars a month, that's where I would take a student loan (being you are a student) and not use it. You use that money to show for your visa for however long you may need it. And there are ways for foreigners to make money without a permit, but that may have more to do with luck and the friendships you will make. Once you arrive on visa, you apply for stay permit, once you get the permission to stay, you apply for residence permit. Residence permits are good for only 6 months, so your visa needs to show 12 months of validity so you can apply for the next 6 months, and there are a number of requirements you need for filing the permission to stay and the residence permit, make sure you understand all of them. If you don't, go to the consul in PERSON. It's the only way you'll get anything done. You should make sure that you can apply for citizenship from being on a student visa, I wouldn't see why not, but who knows. You should also understand the exact requirements for citizenship + visa renewals. If they require 2/3 years solid residency, but a visa renewal may require that you apply in your country of origin.. A loophole could be that you apply before your residence permit expires and then return to Italy without a gap in your residency (don't forget the re-entry visa!! you're likely to only get a single entry, if you want to leave the country you must apply for a re-entry!)
It's a lot of bureaucracy, but if you know Italy, you know that! And if you want to live there, you'll need to get through this and get used to it!
Hope that was enough!
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lorenzo
 
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Reply Mon 13 Aug, 2007 01:02 pm
Italian citizen
HI MY GRANDPARENTS FROM MY DAD SIDE ARE BON IT SICILY ITALY AND HAVE HAVE ITALIAN CITIZEN AM I ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE?
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torinese
 
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Reply Sun 28 Oct, 2007 03:58 pm
Searching for Italian birth certificates
Hello,
I want to inform that I am living in Turin city, Italy, and I can search birth certificates, death certificates or marriage certificates.
If you could provide me the full name, birth date and city of birth of the person, I can get those certificates by contacting directly to the Ufficio Anagrafe of the corresponding Italian Comune.

Bye,

Torinese

Turin - Piemont
Italy
scarlettohara
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 01:10 am
dual italian citizenship
Ok, since the beginning post, things have gotten quite easier for us removed goombades! Check out this link that has people who will help a lot! Don't depend on the embassies. They just don't answer their phones!
http://www.italiamerica.org/id71.htm
Obviously this is for americans, but the rules are the same for canadians, I'm sure. Good luck all!
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benitezfjp
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 05:12 pm
@torinese,
Could you contact the comune of Trausella for the birth certificate of my great grandfather his name is Battista Perino, he was born the 22 march 1879, if you could make me the favor. Any questions please contact me to [email protected]
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Brennenjc
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jun, 2010 12:58 am
@xander,
Hello everyone, my question is, My Maternal Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother were both born in Italy. My Paternal Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother were also born in Italy the same. They all came to The United States in the 1920's through Ellis Island. From what I know, they were naturalized before they had any children in the Usa. Does that mean I do not qualify at all for dual citizenship? The website listed below states I am not qualified. Was just wondering if this were to be in fact true. Any information will be of great help to me.
http://www.italiamerica.org/id72.htm#To see if you are qualified

Thank you,
Brennen

maringelli23
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2012 12:10 am
@Brennenjc,
If they were naturalized then that means that they relinquished their Italian citizenship and therefore could not pass it on to you. If you do not have positive proof that they were naturalized you can send a request for a records search to Immigration and Naturalization. In some cases the person immigrating to the US only filled out the declaration of intent to become a citizen and never followed up to complete the process.
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Lolitta
 
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Reply Sun 16 Feb, 2014 02:52 am
@torinese,
Can you provide me with my grandmothers info who is from Torino ?
Regards
Lolitta
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