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Concentration camps in the United States of America

 
 
Reply Thu 20 Jun, 2019 04:04 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoMVTWmW-g. We, Japanese Americans, were put into 10 concentration camps in the United States during WWII in disregard to the US Constitution. The irony? The Japanese Americans who fought in Italy, France, and Germany during WWII were the most decorated unit in United States history. Many volunteered into the US Army from those camps.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2019 06:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoMVTWmW-g. We, Japanese Americans, were put into 10 concentration camps in the United States during WWII in disregard to the US Constitution. The irony? The Japanese Americans who fought in Italy, France, and Germany during WWII were the most decorated unit in United States history. Many volunteered into the US Army from those camps.


No need to volunteer as those young men was subject to the draft.

I had far far more respect for the few Japanese Americans who took the stand that if they was not treated or view as Americans then they would not take part in the war.

It was an outrage to locked up men women and children Japanese Americans and then send draft notices to the young men in those camps to service a nation that had done so.

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http://encyclopedia.densho.org/Military_resisters/

In March of 1944, 608 of the prewar inductees were transferred to Fort McClellan, Alabama for combat training. Within a week of their transfer, trouble began when 103 of the soldiers had to be confined in the stockade for disobedience. These men—almost of all of them Kibei—wanted to communicate their discomfort at being forced into combat training despite the discriminatory treatment they had received in the army as well as their families' incarceration in concentration camps. Many of these men had been part of the Fort Riley group who had been held under armed guard during FDR's visit. Given the opportunity to express their protest and report for combat training, most did. However, twenty-one refused further combat training and were eventually court-martialed for disobeying orders and issued harsh sentences of up to thirty years hard labor. These twenty-one became known as the "DB Boys" (Disciplinary Barrack Boys). The rest of the men at Fort McClellan underwent intense scrutiny and "loyalty" screening over the next few months, with seventy-six others eventually being transferred to Special Organizations, mostly the 1800th.

Thirty-one of the pre-Pearl Harbor draftees also asked to renounce their citizenship and to be sent back to Japan. All or nearly all were Kibei who had thus spent considerable time in Japan. Most of these were eventually sent to the 1800th. Eight who were in the 525th at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri also refused to take part in training and were court-martialed, given dishonorable discharges and sentenced to fifteen years of hard labor. Their sentences were remitted in April of 1946, and they were released in December 1946.

Another sixteen renunciation requests came from soldiers at Fort Meade, Maryland, including eleven from the "Camp Grant Eleven." These eleven had served in a hospital at Camp Grant, Illinois for most of the war until anti-Japanese agitation—and the need for replacements for the 442nd—led to their being transferred for combat training. An intelligence officer who interviewed them summed up their attitude with one question: "Why should we fight for a country that has stripped us of property, denied us privileges enjoyed by other citizens, restricted our liberties, and given us no tangible evidence that our positions after the war will be any different that they are now?"[2] Refusing to report for training, the eleven were eventually court-martialed, given dishonorable discharges and sentenced to up to fifteen years of hard labor. Ten of the men were given another chance at combat duty, and four of them accepted. The other six—all of whom had family at Tule Lake—were tried again for refusing orders, found guilty, and sentenced to seven years of hard labor. Despite filing their renunciation after the "denaturalization" law had gone into effect, the men were not allowed to seek renunciation as stipulated by the law. The Fort Meade group ended up serving the longest prison terms, with some not being released until 1950.

The disparity in the sentencing of the DB Boys was noted and their sentences were reduced after the war and most were dishonorably discharged in June of 1946. Years of legal efforts after the war to revisit their trials and seek honorable discharges went for naught. However a renewed legal effort in the very different political climate of the 1980s led to eleven of the men having their discharges changed to honorable. (The other ten men had declined to participate.)

1970s reunions of the men of the 1800th organized by Kiyoshi Kawashima led to an effort to upgrade the "blue" (less than honorable) discharges that many men of the 1800th had received. Hyman Bravin, who had represented the men in their original discharge hearing in 1946—and who for all those years believed the men had been granted honorable discharges—took on their cases on a pro bono basis and over the next several years was able to secure honorable discharges for some forty men from the 1800th. This process was covered in the Japanese American press in the context of the redress movement and the general swing in community attitudes towards wartime resistance. However the military resisters of the 1800th, the DB Boys, and renunciants remain relatively little known relative to those who took part in draft resistance.

Authored by Brian Niiya, Densho
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2019 09:40 am
@BillRM,
This is from history:
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January 19, 1942 The 317 Nisei members of the HTG are discharged without explanation, and classified as 4-C, "enemy-aliens."
and, and,
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In addition, all Japanese-American men of draft age, except those already in the armed forces, were classified as 4-C, enemy aliens, forbidden to serve their country.
What makes you think you know more about our history than I do? I'm Japanese American who was sent to an American concentration camp during WWII for three years; I was just a child of 6 years old. I was not a threat or the enemy. German and Italian Americans were not treated the same; they were not moved in mass to concentration camps. During WWII, Hawaii's majority population were Japanese Americans. They were not moved in mass into concentration camps, because they were needed for the war effort. Japanese Americans who served in the military were the most decorated unit in US history. We were never a threat. It was the racist policy of our government. It was a huge waste of money and assets to keep us in concentration camps during the war. They had to house and feed us for the duration in camps with barbed wire fence with armed soldiers in watch towers. It was a total waste of assets based on racism. There are now similarities in how Trump is treating Mexicans and South Americans. The worst part of Trump's "no tolerance policy," was the separation of children from their parents never to be returned again. This was racist too! Trump is a known racist and liar. What's your excuse?
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2019 10:29 am
@cicerone imposter,
A little known twist is that over 10000 GERMAN-AMERICAN citizens were held in various interment camps throughout the nation. My parents neighbors were children of citizens who were kept in the Gloucester NJ interment camp. The guy was a fabrics engineer and worked for a developer of parachutes. He was a "person of interest" as a potential NAZI just because he was of German extraction.He moved to the US after WWI and left Germany alone.
There were 2 such GERMAN camps in PA because there was a hysteria that the famous "Horseshoe Curve" was an important target for bombing by "Sleeper cells" of German AMerican citizens who were separated from germany within a generation during the Nazi years.

Iwas told that we also had some Italian American camps but that the "Mob" was already a target of the FBI and as such was being watched more closely. Im not familiar with the Italian story so Ill yielld to anypne who has better information.

My mom had kept newspapaers of home-side stories that affected our little communities of Allentown and Kutztown Pa during WWII.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2019 11:53 am
@cicerone imposter,
An who the hell had claimed that it was not a injustice my friend?

Once more what truly amazed me is that so many of the young Japanese Americans was willing to fight and perhaps die for this nation.

I frankly think far higher of those small number of men who told the US government to go to hell then those you are proud of that fought for the US.

Either way both groups was victims of a racist government and population.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2019 01:19 pm
@farmerman,
https://thediplomat.com/2016/09/tule-lake-memories-of-japanese-internment/. From the article:
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Whether or not survivors of Japanese-American internment will mark the 75th anniversary of Roosevelt’s internment order next February under a president like Trump will be determined in two months. Until then, however, the remnants of the camp at Tule Lake will sit, blighted, barred from passers-by, now bludgeoned and buffeted by an upsurge of willful ignorance, distressingly familiar rhetoric, and ghosts no longer buried, all racing simultaneously to the surface.

Meanwhile, the town of Tulelake — that “Proud American City” — shows its hand in its main, sparse plaza. Between the fresh roses and empty chairs sits an emblazoned bronze plaque. On it: The Bill of Rights, including Article IV, with its assurances that “the right of the people to be secure in their persons … against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated[.]”

Nowhere, however, is there a mention of the internment camp — America’s foremost concentration camp; the Western Hemisphere’s most fortified enclave during the world’s greatest war — just down the road.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2019 01:22 pm
@BillRM,
Okay, Bill, I misread your post. My apologies.
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