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can you figure this out ?

 
 
Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 08:51 pm
it's a game
http://www.mindsack.com/sg/#
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 10:46 pm
No.
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Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 10:55 pm
Wow Hi Osso ! Glad you tried.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 10:57 pm
Nah, I didn't try it. So, I should be moving some glass panes around?
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Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 11:00 pm
Hey....I thought so but couldn't accomplish much so I decided to put it in the hands of the experts.And you tried it.Actually I am really not sure but there alot of moves.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 11:07 pm
So, as is probably apparent there are twelve pieces of each color, at least the ones I counted until I got bored.

Hmmm, orange is at three corners. What does this mean to me?

Do I want to put a little nugget of twelve somethings in the middle?

Shall I try to make a pictograph of a horse?

Someone else could probably help us here.
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Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 11:16 pm
I agree wheres CodeBorg ?
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 06:35 pm
http://www.mindsack.com/sg/index.htm
I haven't seen this game anywhere else. I think the author just made it up.

Click on his "Instructions" to get http://www.mindsack.com/?p=10
but they are not very clear.
Select "View | Page Source" to see the Javascript code that runs the game.
That's not very clear either.
But it's the only way I could figure out what it actually does. It looks like ...



STAINED GLASS

This is a good game for painters and visual artists or
those who understand the primary colors (red, blue, yellow)
and their complements (green, orange, purple).

The point is to turn all the tiles black except the last one. Then you win.

It's not always possible, so when you get into a situation where
no more moves are available to you, the game will say
"Sorry, but you are stuck." Then you lose.

You play by moving one tile at a time, in one of eight directions,
hopping it over it's neighbor and onto a tile two spaces away.
Just like checkers.

But depending on the colors involved, only certain jumps are allowed,
so you have to be careful.

Tiles are "moved" by clicking on one of them (shown with a black-border),
and then clicking on a destination (shown with a red-border).

Briefly, what happens is the color of your tile is "subtracted" from whatever
tile you hop over, and "added" to the tile that you land on. There must
"be room" for your color in both places, or the move is not allowed.

That is, you can only hop over colors that contain yours
(so the subtraction can happen properly), and then land on either
your same color or a color that doesn't already contain yours
(so the addition can happen properly).

That's about it.

Go play.

If you're still wandering, then detailed instructions follow . . .


1) CONCEPT: COLOR ADDITION AND SUBTRACTION
Brush up on your painting. The game uses an artists palette,
adding and subtracting colored tiles the same way oil paints are mixed.
There are eight colors to understand.

The Primary colors are red, blue, and yellow.
Those are the base colors that cannot be broken down into other components.

Adding/mixing two primary colors makes a Secondary color:
. . . red + blue = purple
. . . blue + yellow = green
. . . yellow + red = orange

Add all three primary colors to make white:
. . . red + blue + yellow = white

Remove all colors, and you have black (an empty space with no tile on it).
. . . white - red - blue - yellow = black


A secondary color and the primary color that it's MISSING
are called "complementary". Thus, adding a primary to it's Complement
makes a complete collection of colors (seen as white)!
. . . Primary + Complement = white
. . . red + green = red + (yellow+blue) = white
. . . blue + orange = blue + (red+yellow) = white
. . . yellow + purple = yellow + (blue+red) = white

The same arithmetic works for subtraction too, if you remember that
. . . white = (blue+red+yellow)

If you subtract a primary color from white you get it's complement.
. . . white - Primary = Complement
. . . white - red = (blue+red+yellow) - red = blue+yellow leftover = green
. . . white - blue = (blue+red+yellow) - blue = red+yellow leftover = orange
. . . white - yellow = (blue+red+yellow) - yellow = red+blue leftover = purple

With this knowledge the game actually makes sense.


2) SELECT A TILE TO MOVE
As you move your mouse cursor around the board,
some squares are highlighted with gray or black borders.
The gray ones have "no moves available". But the black ones can
be selected, thus displaying the "possible moves" with a red-border.

The red-border tiles are the destinations to which you may move
the black-border one.

The destinations are always two positions away from the tile you selected.
Which destinations are legal/possible depends on the colors involved.

If you don't like your selection, click the black-border tile once more to un-select it.


3) MOVE THE TILE
Once a few other squares have a red-border, click one of them
to "move" your selection to that place.

Moving a tile does three things:
a) It removes all color from the first tile, making it black.
b) It adds THAT color to the destination tile, making it brighter or closer to white.
c) It subtracts THAT color from the middle tile (in between them), making it darker or closer to black.

So the more you move, the darker the board gets overall.


4) WHAT IS A LEGAL MOVE?
To be a legal (allowed) move,
it must be possible to subtract and add colors in this manner.


A) THE MIDDLE TILE gets color subtracted from it
so it must contain your initial color within it, for the subtraction to occur.

White contains all colors, so any color tile can jump over it.
. . . white - red = becomes green
. . . white - purple = becomes yellow
. . . white - yellow = becomes purple

Purple contains red and blue, so only red or blue or purple can jump over it.
Red contains only red, so only red can jump over it.

Black contains no color, so no colored tiles can jump over it
(No color can be extracted or subtracted from black).

The exception: all primary colors are considered equal here.
Any primary color can be subtracted from another primary, and becomes black.


B) THE DESTINATION TILE gets color added to it, so it must
be missing or "have space" for your initial color, for the addition to occur.

For example, YELLOW can move to red, blue, purple, or black
because there is no yellow in there yet.
. . . yellow + black = becomes yellow
. . . yellow + red = becomes orange
. . . yellow + blue = becomes green
. . . yellow + purple = yellow + (blue+red) = white
. . . yellow + yellow = stays yellow
. . . yellow + orange = yellow + (red+yellow) = still just orange (not allowed, no room for more yellow!)
. . . yellow + green = yellow + (blue+yellow) = still just green (not allowed, no room for more yellow!)
. . . yellow + white = not allowed, yellow is already there.

Anything can be added to black, to produce the same color.
Anything can be added to itself, to produce the same color.



At this point, you may tell me to shut up. I'd like to go for a swim now.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 06:54 pm
Guy must be thinking of some other painter...
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Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 07:05 pm
CodeBorg your tremdous.Thanx I never thought about looking at the page code..good work.
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 07:11 pm
oops




Hey osso, isn't there a different color wheel for mixing
illuminated light (like a computer monitor or stained glass),
then for mixing pigments (like paint)?

Something like that...
I don't know anything about painting, but I was trying to
draw some kind of easy comparison.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 07:28 pm
CodeBorg, I just meant my eyes glaze...
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Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 08:37 pm
mine too.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 09:04 pm
I don't know, code. I have or had a book by Albers on color, I even had a bunch of pages by Goethe on color, but in fact I mix paints in a devil may care fashion, only hoping I picked tubes with light resistance in the first place. Different painters are more or less crafty.

I had a friend, who has since died, who was extremely aware of all matters re paint and was a consumate craftsman in getting his substrate, whatever it was at the time, in perfect condition before adding a drop of paint.
That is sooo not me.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 09:06 pm
Hmmm, this is under word games and trivia. Maybe it should be in the art forum. Would you mind it being moved, Algis?
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 09:10 pm
"glaze over"
- too many words



yup.




Well, I decided the game's no good.
Thirty tries and I can't beat it, not even close.

I like how you mix paint! I'm the same way with sound -- just go for it and see.
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turtlette
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 10:40 pm
Did anyone notice grey dots at the intersections of the lines? Maybe my eyes are tired. My eyes aren't tired, I just looked again. Bad game! Laughing
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Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:40 am
Yes move to your hearts content OB. but don't expect me to pack and boxes.I have to go back and see if I can see the Dots !
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Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:42 am
When you click on random board it randomises it. Yes the dots are there.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 09:11 am
Algis, well, people are seeing it here - so I think I'll give a link on the art forum in case anyone who mainly reads that forum is interested...
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