sexist

I am raising a young woman who is part of this next generation.

I want my daughter to be empowered. I want her to be confident and assertive. I want her to to be open minded to able to work with people who have diverse points of view. I want her to be grateful and generous and to recognize her privilege.

My daughter is all of these things. Her grandfather is pro-life, she loves him and listens to his stories of being in the civil rights movement in the 1960s.

I don't want my daughter to be outraged or to insult people who have different points of view. And I certainly don't want her to seek out stories on the internet that tell her how life isn't fair.

You are confusing women with feminists. Most women don't love their lives feeling that the world is out to get them.

This narrative where the world isn't fair and everyone who disagrees is "sexist" isn't healthy for young women, or for the country in general.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b7c56e255b02c683659fe43/t/5bd51a0324a69425bd079b59/1540692500558/mcc_the_talk_final.pdf

A frightening 87% of women in our survey of 18 to 25-year-olds report at some point in their past having endured at least one of the following: being
catcalled (55%), touched without permission by a stranger (41%), insulted with sexualized words (e.g., slut, bitch, ho) by a man (47%), insulted with sexualized words by a woman (42%), having a stranger say something sexual to them (52%), and having a stranger tell them they were “hot” (61%). Half of men on our survey reported that they’d harassed a woman in at least one of the ways mentioned above. Words like “bitches” and “ho’s” are stunningly commonplace in many school hallways across the country, and many teens and young people are still labeling girls as “good” or “bad,” based on those who are friends and romantic prospects and those they consider “sluts” and “ho’s.” “Bad girls” are especially fair game for harassment.

This propaganda is particularly unhealthy; it is written to portray girls as victims.

This is an outrage poll. They started with a "shocking" conclusion and then went to manufacture data to tell their story. You can tell this because there is no control, no reporting of response rates and no process... it isn't surprising they got exactly the result you would expect based on their political ideology.

It is the story they are telling that is interesting.

My daughter and her friends call each other "ho's" and will use the word "bitch" (usually as a sign of bad-assness or defiance) toward themselves. This is a double standard. My sons did similar thing calling each other vulgar names. No one obsessed over whether my sons were "harassing" themselves.

I don't think my daughter is any more fragile than my sons were. There is a prudishness here... grown feminist women wanting to protect innocent girls from their own self-expression. In the pamphlet the view toward casual sex is worse... they are suggesting that sex is something that is done to women, rather than something that women might want and actively participate in.

This message isn't good for young women.

And you're an idiot.

Allowing ANYBODY to use that type of language feeds the notion it's ok.

IT'S NOT.

EVER.

Call me pro-choice in this issue. I think a woman should be free to choose how she wants to express herself.

The idea that all women are that prudish, or that fragile seem backwards to me.

So let me see if I have this right...

A child comes into YOUR home and calls your daughter a whore and a bitch and you do nothing except encourage the behavior?

Conversely, you allow and encourage YOUR daughter to debase another child by calling her a whore and a bitch and think that's "expressive"? How is that ok? Don't the other parents discuss what's appropriate or not while their child is in your care?

Geez Neptune. Really? What does "debase" even mean? It suggests the idea that women give up their honor if they don't act like a lady.

It is normal for teenagers, or even adults, to talk to each other this way as a matter of friendship. This is completely healthy, it is a matter of friendship. It shows closeness and informality, and for teenagers it is a part of normal healthy of teenage "rebellion". If my daughter and her friends choose to express themselves in this way, that is their choice. They are old enough now that they can choose for themselves. At this point, I don't really control my daughter's behavior.

Words don't hurt people, intent hurts people. If my daughter and her best friend say "Hey, what's up ho?" to each other it is perfectly fine. If you call my daughter an "ignorant sexist" because she disagrees with your politics, that is far worse. It matters what the words mean in the friendship... and women are just as able as men to decide how they want to express themselves.

The hypocrisy here is that when men use vulgarity, it is considered normal. No one worries that hearing "what's up mf'er" is going to to "debase". We all learn in which settings it is appropriate.

I reject the idea that women have to protect their honor that is somehow "debased" if they if they use unladylike language.

I disagree. Words DO hurt people.

It's not a point of "acting like a lady," it's a point of being respectful and personal boundaries. Since there's no line to show what's appropriate or not then how can you trust what she does in the future?

Being called a whore is one thing, but what is she gonna do when she's expected to ACT like one since that's the image she portrays for herself?

Out of idle curiosity, do you think those words are spoken in my house or directed towards me or any one in my family?

How about you live the way how you choose. And, let my daughter can express herself the way that she chooses. My daughter is old enough, and free enough, to make her own choices. You have never met her, I don't know why you think you can tell her what she should and shouldn't do.

I am very proud of my daughter. She is decent, assertive, kind, creative and funny. She knows how to stand up for herself and to express her opinions. And, she knows how to swear like a sailor. Most Teenagers have no problem choosing how to express themselves and to understand what it means for themselves (which is what really matters). Kids don't need you to control how they speak.

I have no problem on how you live your life, and I have no control over what rules you impose on your children. If I were the kind of person to meddle in the lives of random internet strangers to make a political point... I would suggest that maybe you are selling your kids short.

It seems a little odd that I am the one standing up for the freedom of young women to choose their own identity, to break cultural stereotypes and to express themselves as they see fit.

Maybe I am the feminist on this thread.

Ergo,

Expression and body autonomy is not up to be legislatively based. Since you've not met the people who choose to have an abortion, I don't know why you think you can tell her what she should or shouldn't do.

I am on this thread to push back on the extremism.

My daughter (or any other woman or man) is free to make up her own mind about abortion. Many women feel that abortion takes a life, and a majority of women believe that abortion should be regulated in the third trimester.

My daughter is also free to make up her own mind about any pending regulation concerning language. There is no legislation on the topic of which I am aware.

There are many women who oppose abortion because they feel that no one should take the life a fetus. Maybe my daughter will be one of these (she actually hasn't made up her mind yet).

You are calling women "sexist" or "ignorant" because they disagree with your political ideology. That's the issue.

Yeah, that's what happens when people don't have facts, they make stuff up.

I've never used the word "silly" in this thread. Cheaters cheat, that's what they do.

yo like...finally someone who understood what i was trying to sayyyy

i do practise safe sex...i just dont take birth control...thats what condoms are for...thats safe enough. maybe @neptuneblue just doesnt know what he/she is talking about. i dont need birth control...ill start that when i want a child and i get married...i understand perfectly what the morning after pill and iuds are and maybe you shouldnt make assumptions about whats a problem for me and whats not...i know whats a problem for me and you wont change that not a bit
oh and for all you know ive never even had sex you pin head

Actually.....

The pill and an IUD are better than condoms for birth control. Condoms, under use by normal people, are only 85% effective (this means that a sexually active couple using condoms for a year are 15% likely to become pregnant). The IUD is over 99% effective.

Condoms are great for reducing the risk of disease. Of course, you can use both condoms and the pill or IUD.

I have used a condom as the only form of birth control only for the first couple of times with a new partner (when I am not sure it is a long term relationship). After that, we have always talked about another form of birth control. I think this is typical for American singles.

The abortion debate is heavily parts of trans rights too.

Men can get pregnant! There are trans men that still have the ability to get pregnant, and non-binary people who can get pregnant.

There are also many women that can't get pregnant.

Abortion access is a great gender neutral way of explaining the necessity.

Also people put way too much emphasis on a supposed feotus which is just a bunch of cells, rather than the person who is pregnant.

I also think that "Pro-Life" people are less Pro-Life and more Pro-Forcing-People-To-Be-Pregnant.

"I don't want to be pregnant any more" is as good a reason to have an abortion as any.

Besides, the pro-life people tend to also be the people that are pro-welfare cuts, pro-education cuts, pro-guns, pro-hurting children once they're outside of the womb.

It shows it's less about ethics and more about control.