A Sincere Apology

So you've lost the argument about Jefferson and you move on to WW2.

Jefferson's behaviour sounds like Caligula, he used to force Senator's wives to do similar things .

American losses prior to Pearl Harbor were a drop in the ocean compared to those suffered over here. And you were doing it for your own benefit, you didn't want the Nazis moving on from Europe to America.

The rise of the Nazis has more to do with the Depression, American isolationism and funding by prominent Americans like Henry Ford than appeasement by France and Britain.

https://www.monticello.org/thomas-jefferson/jefferson-slavery/thomas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings-a-brief-account/

Years after his wife’s death, Thomas Jefferson fathered at least six of Sally Hemings’s children. Four survived to adulthood and are mentioned in Jefferson’s plantation records: Beverly, Harriet, Madison, and Eston Hemings. Sally Hemings worked for two and a half years (1787-89) in Paris as a domestic servant and maid in Jefferson’s household. While in Paris, where she was free, she negotiated with Jefferson to return to enslavement at Monticello in exchange for “extraordinary privileges” for herself and freedom for her unborn children. Decades later, Jefferson freed all of Sally Hemings’s children – Beverly and Harriet left Monticello in the early 1820s; Madison and Eston were freed in his will and left Monticello in 1826. Jefferson did not grant freedom to any other enslaved family unit.

You refuse to understand coercion or power dynamics. People stay in cults or with an abusive partner because they're wholly controlled, when one person is owned by another that dynamic is increased exponentially.

You can mitigate Jefferson's behaviour as much as you want but it doesn't change the fact that he was a slave owner and racist.

Quotations from lickspittle historians don't change the facts either. Monticello.org, the website that promotes said rapist/slave owner, is hardly unbiased. Next you'll be posting links from Monsanto "proving" roundup is completely innocuous.

Neither Bill Gates nor Eisenhower owned the ladies in question.

You've just admitted he turned a blind eye to the terror, now you're claiming he was good and outstanding.

Giving a free pass to mass murder is not something good men do.

Don't talk rot, your concept of free is meaningless.

A black enslaved woman living in post revolutionary France would have had an easy time at all. Look at Napoleon's treatment of Haiti if you're in any doubt about France's attitude towards black people.

The treatment of Haiti, post Napoleon was disgraceful.

That's the reality.

You show no understanding of coercion, or of the social realities of the time.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/haitian-independence-proclaimed

Two months after his defeat of Napoleon Bonaparte’s colonial forces, Jean-Jacques Dessalines proclaims the independence of Saint-Domingue, renaming it Haiti after its original Arawak name.

In 1791, a slave revolt erupted on the French colony, and Toussaint-Louverture, a former slave, took control of the rebels. Gifted with natural military genius, Toussaint organized an effective guerrilla war against the island’s colonial population. He found able generals in two other former slaves, Dessalines and Henri Christophe, and in 1795 he made peace with revolutionary France following its abolishment of slavery. Toussaint became governor-general of the colony and in 1801 conquered the Spanish portion of island, freeing the slaves there.

In January 1802, an invasion force ordered by Napoleon landed on Saint-Domingue, and after several months of furious fighting, Toussaint agreed to a cease-fire. He retired to his plantation but in 1803 was arrested and taken to a dungeon in the French Alps, where he was tortured and died in April.

Soon after Toussaint’s arrest, Napoleon announced his intention to reintroduce slavery on Haiti, and Dessalines led a new revolt against French rule. With the aid of the British, the rebels scored a major victory against the French force there, and on November 9, 1803, colonial authorities surrendered. In 1804, General Dessalines assumed dictatorial power, and Haiti became the second independent nation in the Americas. Later that year, Dessalines proclaimed himself Emperor Jacques I. He was killed putting down a revolt two years later.

In July 1825, King Charles X of France, during a period of restoration of the monarchy, sent a fleet to reconquer the island. Under pressure, President Boyer agreed to a treaty by which France formally recognized the independence of the nation in exchange for a payment of 150 million francs. By an order of 17 April 1826, the King of France renounced his rights of sovereignty over Santo Domingo, and recognized the independence of Haiti

The enforced payment to France reduced Haiti's economy for years, and Western nations continued to refuse formal diplomatic recognition to Haiti. Both of these problems kept the Haitian economy and society isolated. Expatriates bankrolled and armed opposing groups.

Haiti borrowed heavily from American and German banks at extremely high interest rates to repay the debt. Although the amount of the reparations was reduced to 90 million in 1838, Haiti did not finish repaying the debt until 1947. By 1900, 80 percent of the country's gross domestic product was being spent on debt repayment.

An independent Black nation, treated like **** by the surrounding White nations.

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In July 1825, King Charles X of France, during a period of restoration of the monarchy, sent a fleet to reconquer the island. Under pressure, President Boyer agreed to a treaty by which France formally recognized the independence of the nation in exchange for a payment of 150 million francs. By an order of 17 April 1826, the King of France renounced his rights of sovereignty over Santo Domingo, and recognized the independence of Haiti

The enforced payment to France reduced Haiti's economy for years, and Western nations continued to refuse formal diplomatic recognition to Haiti. Both of these problems kept the Haitian economy and society isolated. Expatriates bankrolled and armed opposing groups.

Haiti borrowed heavily from American and German banks at extremely high interest rates to repay the debt. Although the amount of the reparations was reduced to 90 million in 1838, Haiti did not finish repaying the debt until 1947. By 1900, 80 percent of the country's gross domestic product was being spent on debt repayment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti#State_of_Haiti,_Kingdom_of_Haiti_and_the_Republic_(1806–1820)