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Poison Ivy... grrr...

 
 
sozobe
 
Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 11:39 am
I like this house for a lot of reasons but the wild and woolly back yard was a big selling point. After we bought the house, we kept having people tell us the back yard was riddled with poison ivy. (Neighbors, people we had in to inspect the trees, etc.) I never saw any.

This year I've been working back there a lot, and have been keeping an eye out. Nothin'.

There was a stretch of a couple of weeks where it was wet and cold, I didn't go out there much or at all. Just ventured back out yesterday. And sure enough -- poison ivy. Evil or Very Mad

A couple of questions:

1.) What's the best way to get rid of it? Can I hope to just dig up the ones I see (manageable number, maybe a dozen individual plants that I noticed with careful looking) and be done with it? I'd plan on wearing gloves if so, any other pointers there?

2.) How bad is poison ivy, really? I think it's like bee stings in that some people react worse than others. I really really really DON'T want to keep the sozlet out of the areas that are poison ivy prone. Just stock up on calamine lotion?

Thanks!
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dragon49
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 11:54 am
soz, poison ivy really depends on whether or not you are allergic to it. However, i only found out by actually getting it. and once i had, wow that was not fun. I had the poison ivy rash for about 2 weeks and it was miserable. i found a website with some good info on it http://poisonivy.aesir.com/ they also suggest roundup it looks like to try to get rid of it. hope that helps!
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 12:04 pm
Thanks, dragon, I'd found that site and it was freaking me out. Shocked

I used to get exposure to poison ivy all the time! Every time I went camping I got it. Wasn't too big of a deal, just slopped on the calamine, which was already in use to deal with copious mosquito bites...

This seems somewhat hopeful since the ones I've seen are pretty small and I think there's at least a chance of me getting all of them:

Quote:
Getting Rid of the Plants

Poison ivy, oak and sumac are most dangerous in the spring and summer, when there is plenty of sap, the urushiol content is high, and the plants are easily bruised. However, the danger doesn't disappear over the winter. Dormant plants can still cause reactions, and cases have been reported in people who used the twigs of the plant for firewood or the vines for Christmas wreaths. Even dead plants can cause a reaction, because urushiol remains active for several years after the plant dies.

If poison ivy invades your yard, "there's really no good news for you," says David Yost, a horticulturist (specialist in fruits, vegetables, flowers, and general gardening) with the state of Virginia. The two herbicides most commonly used for poison ivy--Roundup and Ortho Poison Ivy Killer--will kill other plants as well. Spraying Roundup (active ingredient glyphosate) on the foliage of young plants will kill the poison ivy, but if the poison ivy vine is growing up your prize rhododendron or azalea, for example, the Roundup will kill them too, he says.

Ortho Poison Ivy Killer (active ingredient triclopyr), if used sparingly, will kill poison ivy but not trees it grows around, says Joseph Neal, Ph.D., associate professor of weed science, Cornell University. "But don't use it around shrubs, broadleaf ground cover, or herbaceous garden plants," he says. Neal explains it is possible to spray the poison ivy without killing other plants if you pull the poison ivy vines away from the desirable plants and wipe the ivy foliage with the herbicide, or use a shield on the sprayer to direct the chemical.

If you don't want to use chemicals, "manual removal will get rid of the ivy if you're diligent," says Neal. You must get every bit of the plant--leaves, vines, and roots--or it will sprout again.

The plants should be thrown away according to your municipality's regulations, says Neal. Although urushiol will break down with composting, Neal doesn't recommend that because the plants must be chopped into small pieces first, which just adds to the time you're exposed to the plant and risk of a rash. "It's a health issue," he says.

Never burn the plants. The urushiol can spread in the smoke and cause serious lung irritation.

The American Academy of Dermatology recommends that whenever you're going to be around poison ivy--trying to clear it from your yard or hiking in the woods--you wear long pants and long sleeves and, if possible, gloves and boots.

Neal recommends wearing plastic gloves over cotton gloves when pulling the plants. Plastic alone isn't enough because the plastic rips, and cotton alone won't work because after a while the urushiol will soak through.


http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/796_ivy.html
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dragon49
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 12:20 pm
i guess i was just over sensitive to it. i spent 2 weeks taking baking soda baths to stop the itching and was covered in calamine lotion. i was very young then as well, about 5 so the conscious effort to not itch was not there. since then, i have stayed away from anything that even resembles poison ivy. good luck killing it Smile
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 12:40 pm
People and poison ivy have complicated relationships. Some people are naturally more allergic than others. Some people are immune one year and then seriously allergic the next. Urushiol levels will vary from plant to plant.

Incidently the medieval Japanese used urushiol in a laquer for windowsills of strong rooms. Burglars could break out in rashes just by climbing in to help themselves.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 05:17 pm
I would use roundup, if you really want to get rid of it. We have a bunch of it but only Mr B is overly sensitive. We keep 'technu' on hand to use whenever anyone comes in contact with it. It works great but you can't use it if you've already used hydrocortizone.

http://poisonivy.aesir.com/view/technu.html
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 05:26 pm
Dress up. Wear gloves. Protect your face (if you have a bee helmet, wear it). Expose no skin. Cut down and dig up the plants, trying to get every bit you can. Put the plants in extra thick garbage bags and discard. Throw away your gloves and clothes in another bag. Don't touch yourself. Take a long shower using the strongest soap you can find (fels naptha is one).

Treat any reemergence of the weed with extra strength Roundup or poison ivy specific killer. Remember, even dead plants contain Urishiol.

Good luck.
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 12:10 pm
I should have mentioned that technu is a soap. You can shower with it, add it to your laundry, or just use it to wash your hands. We found it at Walgreens.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 12:19 pm
(Of course you saw this, J_B, you responded to it.)

Thanks for the pointers. Technu sounds promising.

I have to gird my loins and go get that stuff. Doesn't pay to wait, and I want to use my yard!
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 12:56 pm
I'd 100% vouch for cjhsa's response, with the addition of full goggles and a mask. Seriously.

Gloves.
Long sleeved shirt.
Pants tucked into socks.

Nothin' exposed.
Nothin' you want to keep, on.
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 01:59 pm
Each time you get a rash, it gets worse than the time before.

I used to play around the stuff as a kid and it never bothered me. Now
after about a dozen cases of it, I have to rush to the emergency room for
steroid shots (and pills) or my entire body breaks out.
Even then it takes 6-8 weeks for me to get over it.

Wash with cold water only - hot water makes the oil spread out(!) instead
of clumping off of you.

Technu works great! It chemically "unlocks" the urushiol molecules from
clamping onto your skin. There are three formulas:
- To use as a preventative shield.
- To wash with after exposure
- A medicated gel to use on an active rash.

Be sure to wipe Technu on every piece of clothing, and every tool that
you used. If not, then just throw them out. I've gotten a serious
outbreak from boots and gloves even after they were sitting around for
four years! Even trail dust can pass on the oil.

The good news? When using the preventative lotion before hiking or
yardwork, and showering afterwards, I have NEVER gotten a rash.
So I use it like sunscreen now, but still watch my step.
I put lotion on all exposed clothing and put the items in plastic bags
at the end of the day, until they can go into the laundry.
Again, wash in cold water or the oil will just spread around further.


Two doctors have told me about a newer allergy treatment that is
supposed to work well -- a series of shots or something that gradually
acclimate you to be more immune. Something like that, but I'm eager to
find out more.

Native Americans used to eat a small leaf of poison oak in the spring,
to acclimate and prevent outbreaks for the rest of the year.
I think I'd rather go with the precision laboratory treatment!


Even with Technu available, I try to hike above 3500 feet altitude.
It doesn't grow above that.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 02:08 pm
Heres the way to use Roundup and not cause collateral damage. Slather arms with calamineand let it start drying. Wear cloth gloves (NOT RUBBER CUZ IF YOU GET THE OIL UNDER THE GLOVES ITLL CAUSE A REACTION WITH THE HUMIDITY)

CUT the poison ivyvine and then paint the 48% Roundup (ag grade) on the freshly cut stems that remain in the ground. You must do this before the ivy vine starts to form a cuticle. A farmer showed me how to do that with multiflora roses and poison ivy, worked great This way your not letting any spray drift onto nearby plants.This is the best time of year to get it kilt

ROUNDUP is the way, just dont let it get on the desirable plants.
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 02:38 pm
PS - I've spent many days in bed, wrapped up in gauze, because of poison oak.
So please forgive a few more notes . . .

Caladryl lotion is noticeably better than Calamine - it includes Benadryl lotion
as a topical antihistamine. 1% HydroCortisone lotion also helpful.

Standard Benadryl allergy pills also help noticeably (25mg
Diphenhydramine HCl). They make me sleepy, edgy and cranky, so
only one pill at a time. Nurses hand them out freely in hospitals as
sleeping pills, but anything is better than being on fire!

Once the rash gets more than about 10 inches long, or especially deep,
the urushiol gets into the blood stream and lymph systems.
Then it's systemic - inside ones system. From then on, any location
on the body that breaks a sweat - becomes a serious rash.
And if you go into a sauna by mistake? Emergency room.

Its sucks big-time. It's well worth a thousand dollars and 40+ hours of
work if you can prevent this! Even if you are not sensitive now, just
avoid repeated exposure so you can stay that way.


Once the urushiol molecules latch onto the skin, it takes
about 2-3 days for that constant irritation to create a rash.
So, whenever I have some exposure to it, I wipe down with Technu
about ten minutes before every shower - for the next three days.

And seriously, buying ten bottles for $50 is a LOT cheaper than $200
steroid shots. And a lot more comfortable.

Be proactive. Knock it out fast with everything you got.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 09:17 pm
Thanks so much, guys. CodeBorg, yikes, sorry you've had to go through that. I've never had any particular reaction to poison ivy so it'd have to happen a lot more yet for it to get worse, I *think* but y'all have convinced me not to take that chance. I'll stock up on some essentials and have a go.

What do I do with the Round-upped to death poison ivy?

What's a cuticle?
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coluber2001
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 10:17 pm
Just cut it off at ground level with a lopper. Do the same as it resprouts, and eventually it will completely die. Or you can try and dig it up and tear it out of the trees and risk serious exposure
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 05:42 am
a cuticle is a waxy coating that heals over a cut on the plant. The plant is stimulated to increase rooting and soon youll have another few plants. Now if you Roundup the open would immediately, it will return to the plant roots by the vascular system and then cause the plant to self destruct.

Since Im not allergic, I usually burn the cuttings but I guess you will have to toss the cuttings from a speeding car in the Pinelands. The roots that die can just be left in place and theyll rot, the oil will break down
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 10:15 am
Since soz lives in a city, burning likely wouldn't be a good option. Too many other people nearby who could be dangerously impacted - or if it's like most cities here - burns are illegal.
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Equus
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 10:23 am
I would avoid touching the stuff, even with gloves. Because some of the toxin could still rub off the gloves onto you while you are taking them off. There are lots of commercial sprays that kill poison ivy from a safe distance.

TRUE STORY:

When I was a kid in Boy Scouts, one boy in our troop had to be rushed from summer camp to the hospital because he thought the poison ivy he found was wild marijuana and he tried to smoke it. He got poison ivy rash in his throat and lungs.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 11:37 am
I think goats eat poison ivy.
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Equus
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 11:52 am
Little lambs eat ivy. A kid'll eat ivy too.
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