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Maths prob, help plz

 
 
cookiez
 
Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 11:21 am
I'm so stuck at this prob and dunno how to go about solving this. Can anyone help me out? Sorry i've edited this post, there is no logs hint -_-"

Anyways:

A science pupil is investigating the action of a certain type of substance
and discovers that every second, 'x' number of its molecules breakdown into smaller particles. If x = 0.00002 molecules per sec, then find out the time it takes for half of the substance's molecules to breakdown.

Guidance and Working appreciated thank you Very Happy
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 12:29 pm
More info please
I think you don't have the problem stated correctly. Either that your you don't have enough information. Normally it goes something like this:

"X percent of the molecules decay away every second. How long until half of the total is gone?"

Is that what you are looking for? Knowing how many decay is useless without knowing the entire count of molecules. Solving the above type of problem does involve logs though, so maybe you are looking for something else.
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cookiez
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 01:30 pm
The hint that is given relates to a recurrence relation form and 'S' is to be the original number of molecules.
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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 01:53 pm
Ahh
Ok, now we can solve this.

At time zero, you have S molecules.
At time one sec, you have S*(1-x) molecules since S*x have decayed away.
At time two sec, you have S*(1-x)*(1-x) molecules. You see the pattern emerging here.

At time t, you have S*(1-x)^t molecules left.

What you want to know is when (1-x)^t = 1/2. I leave the rest for you to solve with the hint that you need to use logs.
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 02:23 pm
ah ok thanks! I'm not veri good with working with logarithms but is this the correct approach?

(1-x)^t = 1/2

so taking the logs of both sides:

---> ln (1-x)^t = ln (1/2)
---> t ln (1) - t ln (x) = ln (1/2) [ or ln (0.5) ]


t ln (1/x) = ln (0.5)

solve for t:

t = ln (0.5)/ln (1/x)

sub for x = 0.000002

t = ln (0.5)/ln (1/0.000002)

Uh.....am I on the right track? Shocked
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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 02:29 pm
Not quite
Close, but you made one error.

ln(1-x) does not equal ln(1)-ln(x).

Starting at ---> ln (1-x)^t = ln (1/2)

---> t ln (1-x) = ln (1/2)
---> t = ln(1/2) / ln(1-x)

Plug in for x and solve.
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cookiez
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 02:36 pm
ah thanks! got it now Very Happy
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