How long are you here for? & How long are you going to stay here for?

Am I correct in saying that "How long are you here for?" and "How long are you going to stay here for?" mean the same thing?

If not, when or in which context should I use each of them?

“From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.”

BTW, in casual speaking/conversation, is it possible to drop "for" in the two questions above?

. . . then you'd need to re-structure it to something like: "how long are you gunna be here?"

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. . . then you'd need to re-structure it to something like: "how long are you gunna be here?"

Or better yet: "When ya leavin'?"

Don't use the second one--just leave "for" plumb the **** out of that one.

layman wrote:

Don't use the second one--just leave "for" plumb the **** out of that one.

Would you please the above part further?

Thank you.

The Churchill quote was just a humorous way of stating (well, actually ridiculing, in his case), the old saw that you should NEVER end a sentence with a preposition.

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The Churchill quote was just a humorous way of stating (well, actually ridiculing, in his case), the old saw that you should NEVER end a sentence with a preposition.

You make no sense at all, layman. If you ridicule the old saw, why do you suggest that the 'for' can't be used as it was used.

Yeah, they mean the same thing. That don't mean each of them is "proper," but, still....

I just said it wouldn't be "proper," that's all.

What does "proper" mean?

Highly illustrative that you know nothing about the English language, or even simple logic.