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Reply Thu 12 Oct, 2017 04:04 am
In soccer, is it possible for a player to take the place of another?

If so, would you please give me a couple of examples?

Thank you.
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dre0017
 
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Reply Thu 12 Oct, 2017 06:18 am
@paok1970,
Of course it is possible to take the position of another player. (Assuming you both have the same position) Ex: The starting player gets injured and your second string, obviously they would put you in to take that persons place.
Your skills at that particular position determines if your starting that position or not. If your skills for that position get's better and your coach recognizes that then most likely he will have you start that position in the upcoming games.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 23 Oct, 2017 09:07 am
@paok1970,
Only Americans call it soccer. It's football.

Here's a couple of examples for you from Saturday's match.

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Now Boufal has replaced Tadic and Austin is on for poor Shane Long.


https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2017/oct/21/southampton-v-west-brom-premier-league-live

Boufal scored the winner.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2017/10/21/19/boufal-goal.jpg
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2017 04:36 am
@paok1970,
Often substitutions are like for like, usually after a player has retired hurt, but not always. Sometimes a manager will take off a defender for an attacker or vice versa depending on whether they need to score goals or shore up defences.
paok1970
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2017 04:35 am
@izzythepush,
During or in the middle of a football match/game, which of the following actions may a manager perform?

1) To take a player out of the game

2) To bench a player

2) To sideline a player

4) To substitute a player

5) To replace a player

If all five are possible, do they mean the same thing?

If not, when should I use each of them?

Would you please give me some examples?

Thank you
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2017 07:51 am
@paok1970,
Some of the terms you list are American and would rarely be used over here. We would not say 'bench' a player, but even if we did a manager could not do that in the middle of a game.

The bench is where the substitutes sit, who will be in the starting line up is decided at the beginning of the game as is who will be sitting on the substitutes bench. When a player is substituted they don't sit on the bench because they won't be coming back on. They either sit with the manager and watch the rest of the game or they go for an early shower.

Similarly sidelined is not used over here in the manner Americans use it. Substituting and replacing do mean the same thing, and managers do that all the time. Taking a player out of the game is more vague, if a manager does it then they will be replaced, but the referee does it by issuing a red card, (or two yellows,) they will not be replaced, and the team will be a man down.

I've not got time to look for examples, but this link is the main football page on the BBC. There's lots of matches playing today and you can click on each match to find a report where there will be lots of examples.

English footballing vernacular is quite specialised so you may have more questions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football
paok1970
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2017 09:23 am
@izzythepush,
The bench is where the substitutes sit, who will be in the starting line up is decided at the beginning of the game as is who will be sitting on the substitutes bench. When a player is substituted they don't sit on the bench because they won't be coming back on. They either sit with the manager and watch the rest of the game or they go for an early shower.

Two more questions:

1) What verb or verbs do you use instead of "to bench a player"?

2) Doesn't the manager sit with the other substitutes? Also, when a player is expelled/sent off, doesn't he sit on the bench with the other substitutes?

By the way, is it correct to say, "to expel a player"?

Thank you.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2017 09:51 am
@paok1970,
I don't think a verb is used. We just say who the substitutes are. (All my examples are from today's Arsenal v Swansea match which kicked off early, link at the bottom.)

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On the bench is highly-rated centre-back Joe Rodon, who turned 20 last week and will make his senior debut if he comes on.


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A second Arsenal change - Olivier Giroud is on, and Alexandre Lacazette comes off.

Swansea make two substitutions; Luciano Narsingh and Nathan Dyer are on for Mike van der Hoorn and Jordan Ayew.



Where the subs sit depends on the size of the dugout, but the manager usually sits next to other the coaches and assistant managers because their input is what he wants to hear.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/resources/images/6931790/
I never heard the term expel a player used, unless they were being kicked out of the club.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/40955179
paok1970
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2017 12:50 pm
@izzythepush,
Would you please give me some examples of "to come on" and "to come off" with reference to football?

As for "to expel a player", here is what I found on the Internet (link below):

Section 33.2 of the rules says: “Any player expelled from the match for a red card shall immediately leave the pitch, or the bench, and in addition shall be for two official consecutive matches be suspended automatically.

https://www.newsday.co.zw/2017/09/ntouba-in-again/
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2017 01:59 pm
@paok1970,
What's common vernacular in Zimbabwe is very different from that in the UK.

The official language of a rule book is very different to that of sports commentators.

I don't have time to look for examples, I've given you a link to the BBC sports football page, you should be able to find examples there.
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