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Sidelined or substituted

 
 
Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2017 11:13 pm
Should I say, "The player was sidelined because of injury" or "The player was substituted because of injury"?

Am I correct in saying that both are possible? If so, do they mean the same thing?

Thank you.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2017 08:07 am
@paok1970,

they do not mean the same thing.

sidelined means player A was not able to play.

substituted (for) means player B was put into the game in place of player A.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2017 08:30 am
@paok1970,
Both are possible. See @region's response for the explanation of the difference.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 05:57 am
I've never heard the term sidelined used in that manner, it must be an American thing.

This is from the BBC website about two of today's matches.

Quote:
Arsenal are set to name a weakened team for their Europa League tie against BATE Borisov on Thursday.

Laurent Koscielny, Mesut Ozil and Alexis Sanchez are among the players unlikely to play in Belarus.

Summer signings Alexandre Lacazette and Sead Kolasinac are also not expected to feature.

Danny Welbeck will miss out through injury as Arsenal look to build on the 3-1 victory from their European opener against Cologne.


Quote:
Defenders Phil Jagielka and Michael Keane will miss Everton's Europa League group game with Apollon Limassol at Goodison Park because of injury.

Captain Jagielka has a hamstring problem while Keane has a cut foot.


If I've understood RP correctly he's saying that if a player is injured before the match and will have to miss out he is sidelined. However if he is injured during the match he's substituted for another player. Substituted is used in the same way in the UK.

My spell check doesn't even like me using the word sidelined btw, it's got a big red squiggly line underneath it
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 07:14 am
@izzythepush,

yup...

Quote:
side·line

verb
past tense: sidelined; past participle: sidelined
cause (a player) to be unable to play on a team or in a game.

"he has been sidelined for the last six weeks with a fractured wrist"
synonyms: remove, take out, bench

"the injury sidelined their top reliever"
remove from the center of activity or attention; place in a less influential position.

"a respected lawyer will be sidelined by alcohol abuse"
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 08:40 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
However if he is injured during the match he's substituted for another player.


we use substitute in the opposite way

the injured player is not substituted, the new player is the substitute/is substituted
paok1970
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 09:06 am
@ehBeth,
What do you mean by "the new player is the substitute/is substituted"?

Would you please explain it further?

Thank you.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 09:48 am
@ehBeth,
We call those sat on the bench substitutes, but the word substituted is interchangeable, both the player coming on and going off are substituted for each other.
centrox
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 10:18 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

We call those sat on the bench substitutes, but the word substituted is interchangeable, both the player coming on and going off are substituted for each other.
Until the 18th century, people would have said you're getting "substitute" and "replace" mixed up. You can substitute player A for player B, and you can replace player B with player A. Both mean player B comes off and player A goes on. These days "substitute A for B" and "substitute B with A" are both standard English and mean the same thing.
paok1970
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 11:20 am
@centrox,
Just out of curiosity, what do you do to make the post appear like this?

Quote:
izzythepush wrote:

We call those sat on the bench substitutes, but the word substituted is interchangeable, both the player coming on and going off are substituted for each other.
paok1970
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 11:27 am
@centrox,
Do the following sentences mean the same thing?

1) The coach substituted Rooney for Bale.

2) Rooney was substituted with Bale.

Thank you.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 11:51 am
@centrox,
centrox wrote:
Until the 18th century, people would have said you're getting "substitute" and "replace" mixed up.


that would still be the take in Canada
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 11:54 am
@paok1970,
paok1970 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what do you do to make the post appear like this?

Quote:
izzythepush wrote:

We call those sat on the bench substitutes, but the word substituted is interchangeable, both the player coming on and going off are substituted for each other.
go to My Preferences at the bottom of the page, and change Show quote button: from No to Yes
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 11:54 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

We call those sat on the bench


another (odd) non-North American usage

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certainly a good partial explanation why British sport pages are such work to read
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 12:17 pm
@ehBeth,
Why would you? I'm really only interested in English teams, I don't think I've ever looked at anything on Canadian or American sports.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 12:41 pm
@izzythepush,
Why would I be interested in non-local sports? is that a real question?
centrox
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 12:48 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

izzythepush wrote:

We call those sat on the bench


another (odd) non-North American usage.

In British English, using "he is sat on the chair" or "she is stood by the gate" for "he is sitting on the chair" and "she is standing by the gate" is decidedly dialect/non-standard. Very common among Bristolians.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2017 01:05 pm
@ehBeth,
Sorry if I sounded a bit rude, but you don't strike me as a Manchester United supporter. I honestly didn't think you'd be interested in what we get up to.
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