Vaccination without consent

The term "consent" here is being used a little loosely. Getting vaccinated is a part of living in a modern civilized society. If you are going to live with us, we ask that you wear clothes, that you don't defecate in public, and that you get vaccinated. No one is kidnapping people to inject them. It is reasonable to insist that if you are sending your children to go to the school with the rest of our children, they should be vaccinated.

That is the price you pay for living in civilization.

If you can prove that vaccines are effective, I might agree. But as it is, I don't need them.

Should Bill Gates be vaccinated?

It is just as impossible to prove that vaccines are effective as it is to prove that humans came about as the result of a process of evolution. The evidence is there, I still can't make you drink.

Yes, that's what I just said.

Now you've contradicted yourself.

Just the same as evolution Glenn. You either accept the science, or you don't. There is nothing that any of us can do about it.

Perhaps if you'd present the science you accept which shows the effectiveness of vaccines, it would be believable.

I'll be back later.

You can google it yourself Glennn, it doesn't matter. You people are all the same.

You will ignore the overwhelming evidence from DNA transfer, to fossil record to the reproduction of evolution in the lab, and instead focus on a few studies from "professors" you find on the internet to talk about gaps in the fossil record, or the complexity of the eye.

You can simply look at the evidence from the scientific community that is actually using the science to produce good results... rather than focusing on a fringe that you found in the internet that support your political point of view.

It is the same with vaccination. It is pretty clear, modern science goes into a country and institutes a program of vaccination, and the rate of disease goes way down. When political or religious extremists stop vaccination programs, the rate of disease goes up.

I don't know what more you people want. If you have already made up your mind to reject the science that is easily accessible to you if you wanted it, there is nothing I can say here to get you to accept modern science.

You're having a kneejerk reaction to the topic. All I've asked you to do is to provide the science behind the idea that vaccines are effective. You might start with a study that shows a comparison between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

Hey man! You're right! Those elite pointy-headed scientists sure do talk a lot of bullshit. Why, we had ten people die of smallpox, polio and diphtheria in our street last week.

https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/graphic-proof-that-vaccines-work-with-sources-61c199429c8c

Those elite pointy-headed scientists and their employers gave us thalidomide, asbestos, the atom, and hydrogen bombs, DES, Baycol, cloning, Marcaine, the Tuskegee Syphilis experiments, heroine, Nazi Gas Chambers, DNA fiddling, etc, etc, etc, and they may eventually bestow Captain Tripps upon us.

Overall, they have given us far more good than bad (unless the next gift wipes us out as a species), but there is nothing wrong with being skeptical about the certainty or motivations of elite pointy-headed scientists .

They're not demi-gods you know. I have one in my family and she can be as big a jerk as any of the rest of us.

If you really want to convince a skeptic, proof works better than snide comments. EDIT: I now see you did and so retract this comment.

It is funny how many people who are anti-science still use the internet.

What does anti-science mean?

Did you find a study that compares the vaccinated with the unvaccinated?

What do you attribute the steady decline before 1963 to?

[SOURCE: Data – Official Year Books of the Commonwealth of Australia,