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Should all Religion be "Free"?

 
 
Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2017 04:41 pm
Should all religion be free in the world?

We have freedom of speech... but speech is still regulated by common law.

You cannot go into a movie theatre and yell "fire!" If you yell profanity at a police officer they will find some reason to arrest you, and make it stick...

Consider Waco Texas' Branch Davidians... Was that not like yelling, "fire!"?

Who will decide what religions are free? Courts? Public vote? Our legislative body? Thugs?

What criterion would deem a religion (or parts therof) illegal? Is the total equal to the sum of its parts?

How shall we define hate and barbarity as it relates to religion?

i.e. It is okay to drop bombs, but not okay to behead someone ...and the debate goes back and forth endlessly...

It is not okay to hate people based on race, but race is often associated with religion (as much as we would like to deny that fact).

There are those who are of a certain race who do not practice religion and those who are not of a certain race but they practice a religion not typically associated with their own race.

How do we separate the apparent hate contained within a "holy" book from those who claim that theire own version of holy book is the one and only source for faith and practice?

...practice becomes doctrine and doctrine becomes law.

Can religion ever be fully liberated from the hate contained within?

There is a force at work in the world where adoration suspends the conscience; some refer to this as stupidity, but when stupidity becomes common practice then is it "folly to be wise"?

I have heard it said that all religions contain some kernel of truth or people would not follow them.

But what about the untruth? What about the bold faced lies? What about the barbarity that accompanies that kernel of truth?

We see that religion is not always accompanied with ethics...

If religion is a road map it would surely lead one off a cliff.

We all have a destination we seek in life, be it prosperity, health and some even desire an afterlife.

If on the road to that destination we take a right turn, then a left turn and so on, if only one turn is out of line (or a lie) we will never reach our desired outcome or end up lost.

A religion needs pure truth or it will only lead those with less a moral constitution astray.

Some say only the heart may know the way, but even the heart can be fickle and change like the wind.

Contrarily the mind is often too rigid and without feeling.

The soul is too ethereal and unbridled strength is a travesty of power.

Only through social debate and consideration of all things will we find a way to rid ourselves of the misdirection contained within the religions.

Religious people say, "teach the debate" so they can sneak their creationism into science class.

Should we teach of Cain murdering his brother to kindergarten children? How about Lot sleeping with his daughters? Or the genocide, the murder of innocents in Egypt and the crucifixion of an innocent man? Or that Eve and Adam were not obedient while naked in the garden?

Does this not also defile the innocent?

How do we teach the debate when the debate has a mature rating and simply steals away the youth of a child? Should we not shelter children from such so they can grow up without the darkness that life often escalates into? Some call this, "freedom from the law".

Maybe to instill independence and free thinking in a child is the best we can do while banning practices that clearly are outside the boundaries of what is civilized?

Yet over time, what is withheld becomes the only way to liberty to some...

And as we repeat history, as religion rears its ugly head in the mindlessness of the human condition we seem to de-evolve.

There must be a way to teach independence from religion while still leaving it free or is religion just too grand an illusion for some to resist?
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2017 05:57 pm
I see "izzythepush" is voting down my posts again... Nothing like being followed around by that troll pretending to be a liberal.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2017 06:40 pm
Hard for me to know what you expect here.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 12:00 am
@edgarblythe,
It is a discussion Edgar.

Should we ban some religions entirely or should we ban parts of religions?

We already ban parts of religions... but that does not stop people from placing worth in these religious systems.

If we could educate the public on these parts of religion that are racist, sexist, homophobic etc... maybe less people would adhere to these religions.

A little agreement Edgar would be nice... Smile
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 12:12 am
Suffer the little children...
https://www.facebook.com/whoisfreestyle/videos/10154755964964423/
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 12:21 am
Natural Selection Video
https://www.facebook.com/eric.meyer.56679/videos/518901551783833/

Religion is blind.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 12:48 am
@TheCobbler,
It's not me, I've just come across this thread, but as Edgar says it's quite nonsensical, so I can see why someone would vote it down.

I'm not a liberal, I'm a Socialist and have never said otherwise. You're a pseud, full of nonsense, trying to appear profound.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 12:53 am
@izzythepush,
Actually my posting on this thread just put it back up to 1, so you might want to thank me.

Still don't know who the two people who voted you down are, maybe you could start another thread on it.
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centrox
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 02:11 am
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
I see "izzythepush" is voting down my posts again...

You cannot tell who votes you down or up.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 08:28 am
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/20841103_842443489252874_169631217443221549_n.jpg?oh=26afb0438ae3d07a902a833f68b0ba7d&oe=5A1D9193

Sometimes the sum of its parts should equal a ban....
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 11:40 am
Nation discovers evangelicals have no moral compass as business leaders pick up the slack
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/17/1690933/-Nation-discovers-evangelicals-have-no-moral-compass-as-business-leaders-pick-up-the-slack?detail=emaildkre

Tax free deplorables...
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 03:26 pm
All religions should have the freedom to believe what they believe. This does not however mean they should be given the rights to do whatever they want, especially if their actions could bring physical or emotional harm to another.
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chai2
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 04:13 pm
@centrox,
centrox wrote:

TheCobbler wrote:
I see "izzythepush" is voting down my posts again...

You cannot tell who votes you down or up.



Also, that was said in the 2nd post of the thread. I didn't think you could thumb up or down the first post.

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chai2
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 04:16 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/20841103_842443489252874_169631217443221549_n.jpg?oh=26afb0438ae3d07a902a833f68b0ba7d&oe=5A1D9193

Sometimes the sum of its parts should equal a ban....


Neo Nazi isn't a religion.

What are you actually talking about in this thread?

izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 06:11 pm
@chai2,
Some strange notion that makes 2+2=5. Be careful or he'll get upset with you too. He doesn't like being told he's wrong, and his ridiculous musings on the British General election, did it for me, first of all he confused government ministers with religious ministers and tried to blame some supposed British retreat from religion on Donald Trump. When his errors were pointed out instead of accepting it he'd started going on about the separation of church and state.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 06:13 pm
@chai2,
Chai2 wrote: "Neo Nazi isn't a religion."

That is debatable...

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/10525/11124323_2.jpg


Does that look like a cross to you with a swastika (and the SS)?

Not only crosses but imperial crosses too.

What I am saying here is some religions should be banned due to illegal practices within them.

Freedom of religion is not above the law and tax free status should not be allowed because it violates some people's freedom FROM religion.

I really thought I was being clear when I wrote the title to this thread but I can see how it has led to confusion.

I meant "free", as in the freedom to practice BAD religion.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 06:15 pm
@TheCobbler,
Only by you.
chai2
 
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Reply Sun 20 Aug, 2017 09:42 pm
@izzythepush,
I still can't figure out what he wants to talk about.

Neo nazis, nazis, skinheads, etc. are not religions.

I think that's pretty clear.




izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2017 10:09 am
@chai2,
He gets things wrong all the time then gets really snotty when you put him right.

I'm in Copenhagen.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2017 01:24 pm
@chai2,
I just showed you a RELIGIOUS neo Nazi flag... are you saying those are not crosses on that flag?

Is Trump a racist? Well, he says he is not so that must be the truth. lol

Also, why did Hitler use a swastika, a symbol from religious eastern Arian/Hindu Sanskrit?

Why did Hitler consult with spiritualists and mediums?

Why did he have Jews in his top cabinet up until the very end?

As Many As 150000 Jews Served In Hitler's Military
https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as-many-as-150000-jews-served-in-hitlers-military/

http://www.quoteswave.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/We-tolerate-no-one.jpg

You think that is pretty clear Chai? Really?

‘Jewish’ Senior Officers In Hitler’s Army: Erhard Milch, Wilhelm Keitel, Walther von Brauchitsch, Erich Raeder, and Maximilian von Weichs.
https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/jewish-senior-officers-in-hitlers-army-erhard-milch-wilhelm-keitel-walther-von-brauchitsch-erich-raeder-and-maximilian-von-weichs/

Jews certainly are not religious at all "that seem pretty clear"... (a whole lot cynical)

Ask Izzy, he is an expert on everything and the internet must be wrong...

In a 1928 speech, he said: "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian."

Wikipedia must be wrong and Izzy is right... LOL!

Religious views of Adolf Hitler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Hitler may have denied being a Christian when he started losing the war and may have turned his back on his imaginary God... Was this also a military maneuver denying Christianity? Most likely...

Did he turn his back on religion and spirituality? NO... that is evident in the spiritualist symbols that pervade his Nazi movement right up until the very end.

http://skepticism-images.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/images/jreviews/Hitler-Nun-Autograph.jpg

http://liberalgeek.com/sites/default/files/styles/facebook/public/adolf_hitler_secular_schools_quote.jpg?itok=MhAgYakr

Sure sounds like an atheist to me! LOL!

A big old Donald Trump hand shake to you too!

http://www.tommillington.com/HitlerChurch.jpg
 

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