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Some facts? About the 1500s

 
 
au1929
 
Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 08:37 am
Interesting but I'm not sure about so-called facts and the derivation of the cited expressions.

Here are some facts about the 1500s:
Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May and still smelled pretty good by June. However, they were starting to smell so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children-last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it - hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."

Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the dogs, cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof-hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could really mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt hence the saying "dirt poor."

The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on the floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they kept adding more thresh until when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entrance way-hence, a "thresh hold."

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while-hence the rhyme, "Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old."

Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man "could bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat."

! Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid content caused some of the lead to leak onto the food, causing lead poisoning and death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Most people did not have pewter plates, but had trenchers, a piece of wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. Often trenchers were made from stale bread which was so old and hard that they could be used for quite some time. Trenchers were never washed and a lot of times worms and mold got into the wood and old bread. After eating off wormy, moldy trenchers, one would get "trench mouth."

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or "upper crust."

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up- hence the custom of holding a "wake."

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a "bone-house" and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks ! on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they thought
they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the "graveyard shift") to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be "saved by the bell" or was considered a "dead ringer."
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bigdice67
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 08:44 am
Very nice! I love stuff like this! Are you going to continue with the 1600's?
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 09:05 am
bigdice67

Just recieved this by e-mail. That is all i have.
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bigdice67
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 09:07 am
Still, they're great facts!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 09:35 am
Well, I have some doubts about these "facts", althought it's a nice story, indeed.

Certainly, life about 1500 was different from country to country, even from region to region.

Something about the life at that in England:

15th century life

Wealthy people at about 1500 looked like this

Costumes 15th century
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 09:43 am
Walter
Note my statement at the top of the piece

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Interesting but I'm not sure about so-called facts and the derivation of the cited expressions.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 09:51 am
In a short piece in the New York Times Sunday Magazine, Steven Jay Gould pointed out that the "good old days" never existed. Before the automobile removed horse manure from the streets, and therefore the ubiquitous vector for disease, flies, one could expect to see about half of their children die before age 18. Most houses a century ago which had indoor plumbing, had a privy in the basement--imagine the aroma! It may be hard to make a general statement about the details of life in the 16th century, but it is not unreasonable to apply to that era the statement which Hobbes made in Leviathan: "And in that state of nature, no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." Although there were "arts, letters and society" in the 16th century, it is certain that violent death, or lingering, painful death from injury, or mobidity, was a commonplace.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 09:52 am
A quick search of Google reveals several alternate origins for the phrases "dead ringer" (i.e., a horse racing term, wherein an identical, albeit slower, horse-- the ringer-- was substituted for a fast one, often to come in dead last) or "raining cats and dogs" (i.e., during the Black Plague in London, said animals would often die in the streets and alleys. A hard rain would wash the corpses into what then passed for gutters, hence giving the appearance that it had indeed rained cats and dogs). I'm sure there are alternative explanations for the other phrases as well.

Whichever explanation may be true, that in no way detracts from the entertainment value imparted by the others.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 10:00 am
I know, au. And as I said: it's a nice story.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 10:06 am
Well, in the late 19th century, it was quite common, to have the 'toilet' outdoors in the garden, the 'fresh' water well about 2 meter beside it.
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Diane
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 09:17 pm
I remember reading in a book on architecture that, in medieval times, the word 'comfort' was only used in terms of spiritual comfort; that physical comfort wasn't yet defined because it didn't exist for most people.
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celticclover
 
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Reply Wed 12 Feb, 2003 03:13 am
...and in the days before toilets that flushed, actually before toilets were invevted they used to empty the chamber pots out onto the street that you walked on and it was expected that you ducked to get out of the way. I read that this is why high heels were invented, so that the further their feet were away from the waste (human, food etc.) the better.
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danon5
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 08:40 am
An interesting site to which one may contribute - with references.

http://members.aol.com/MorelandC/Phrases.htm
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bby gurl2004
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 09:01 am
Re: Some facts? About the 1500s
what were the most common foods in englad in the 1500s?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 09:31 am
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When, in September 1465, the enthronement of George Neville as Archbishop of York was celebrated at Cawood Castle to demonstrate the riches and power of his family, 28 peers, 59 knights, 10 abbots, 7 bishops, numerous lawyers, clergy, esquires and ladies, together with their attendants and servants arrived at the castle. Counting the archbishop's own family and servants there were about 2500 to be fed at each meal. They consumed 4000 pigeons and 4000 crays, 2000 chickens, 204 cranes, 104 peacocks, 100 dozen quails, 400 swans, 400 herons, 113 oxen, 6 wild bulls, 608 pikes and bream, 12 porpoises and seals, 1000 sheep, 304 calves, 2000 pigs, 1000 capons, 400 plovers, 200 dozen of the birds called "rees", 4000 mallards and teals, 204 kids, 204 bitterns, 200 pheasants, 500 partridges, 400 woodcocks, 100 curlews, 1000 egrets, over 500 stags, bucks and roes, 4000 cold and 1500 hot venison pies, 4000 dishes of jelly, 4000 baked tarts, 2000 hot custards with a proportionate quantity of bread, sugared delicacies and cakes. 300 tuns of ale were drunk, and 100 tuns of wine, a tun containing 252 gallons according to the usual reckoning. There must have been well over 60 pints of wine for each person.
[R. Mitchell and M. Leys, A History of the English People, 1950]


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By the end of the fourteenth century it had become a common practice to commit recipes and suggested bills of fare to writing. One such, in the reign of Richard II, which has survived, lists three courses beginning with larded boar's head and a pottage made from slowly boiled pork liver and kidneys. The first course also included beef, mutton, pork, swan, roasted rabbit and "tart". The second course comprised duck, pheasant, chicken, and two other pottages. One of these pottages was made of ground almonds seethed with good meat broth, minced onions, small parboiled birds -- sparrows, thrushes, starlings and linnets were all consumed as well as magpies, rooks and jackdaws. The third and last course included rabbits, hares, teals, woodcocks and snipe.

This was a relatively modest dinner. For a more ambitious meal the recommended bill of fare, again arranged in three courses, included duck; teals; herons; roasted veal, pork and capon; small birds in an almond milk sauce and a mixed meat tart. Finally there came a "sarsed browet" into which, in a most complicated recipe, was stirred a wild mixture of herbs and spices, rabbits, squirrels, and partridges. That was the first course. With the second course came more ducks and rabbits; pheasant; venison and hedgehog. The third course provided more partridges and boar; roasted cranes, kids and curlews; a peacock served in the skin which was sown back on to the roast flesh complete with feathers, head and tail.
[W. Mead, The English Medieval Feast, 1931
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quotations from a vegetarian WEBSITE

Welcome to A2K, bby_gurl2004 !

The most common food in England (and elsewhere) for normal people will have been bread and beer, only the nobility was able for such meals as described above.

Here's a link to a mega-site (some links might not been working), which could give more sophisticated view:
Medieval/Renaissance Food Homepage
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