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Grenfell Towers doesn't come crashing down, crashing down, crashing down

 
 
camlok
 
Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 01:04 pm
Grenfell Tower would have collapsed if built four years earlier, says expert

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/14/grenfell-tower-would-have-collapsed-built-four-years-earlier/
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centrox
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 01:28 pm
You sick ****. Children have died, and you use it for your loony conspiracy spam. You are clearly mentally ill.
camlok
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 01:36 pm
@centrox,
Speaking of sick fucks, centrox. Using children in your evil propaganda.

Millions of children have died as a result of you supporting your war criminal governments. You have to be absolutely delusional to not realize this!
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camlok
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 12:22 pm
Can anyone of the many US government conspiracy theory supporters answer these simple Yes/No questions?
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1. Do you deny that the US government developed nanothermite in the 1990s?

2. Do you deny that unreacted nanothermite particles were found in WTC dust?

3. Do you deny that the by-products of thermitic reactions were found in WTC dust, iron microspheres in volumes 1500 times greater than that of normal office dust?

4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see?

5. Do you deny the molten and fused steel and concrete, one named the Meteorite and housed in a 911 museum?

6. Do you deny the molten handguns found and stored in a 911 museum?
saab
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 01:55 pm
@camlok,
Show some respect and do not come up with things like this.
This is time to mourn.
Be ashamed of yourself.
kk4mds
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 04:02 pm
@camlok,
It didn't collapse because of changes in the building code. Okay, so what's your point? Or are you just pointing out the advantages of buildings codes based on more recent knowledge structural engineering?
camlok
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2017 08:50 pm
@saab,
How long did you mourn for the millions the US has slaughtered just in Iraq, saab?
saab
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jun, 2017 01:35 am
@camlok,
There were less than a million dead - estimated bewteen 86 - 94 ooo civilians.

Saddam Hussein´s war between Iran and Iraq took the life of one million civilians, the war against Kuwait took the life of hundred thousands. Some other hundred of thousands died because of other conflicts.
camlok
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jun, 2017 07:42 pm
@kk4mds,
I point it out because it simply didn't collapse.

WTCs 1 and 2 were designed for what hit them and they collapsed, at accelerating speed, which is totally impossible.

WTC 7 was designed to withstand office fires too, just as all the other steel framed high rises that have never collapsed because of fires, fires that burned much much longer and over much larger areas. It collapsed at free fall speed for the first 2.25 seconds, 8 storeys, 105 feet. That too is totally impossible.
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camlok
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jun, 2017 07:56 pm
@saab,
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There were less than a million dead - estimated bewteen 86 - 94 ooo civilians.


You are an ignorant propagandist, saab. Protecting and supporting vicious war criminals, terrorists, baby killers, rapists, ... .
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WASHINGTON — A study released earlier this year revealed the shocking death toll of the United States’s “War on Terror” since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, but the true body count could be even higher.

Published in March by Physicians for Social Responsibility, the study, conducted by a team that included some Nobel Prize winners, determined that at least 1.3 million people have died as a result of war since Sept.11, 2001, but the real figure might be as high as two million. The study was an attempt to “close the gaps” in existing research, including studies like the Iraq Body Count,” which puts the number of violent deaths in that country at about 219,000 since 2003, based on media reports of the time period.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/do-the-math-global-war-on-terror-has-killed-4-million-muslims-or-more/208225/


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Saddam Hussein´s war between Iran and Iraq took the life of one million civilians, the war against Kuwait took the life of hundred thousands. Some other hundred of thousands died because of other conflicts.


More of your rank propaganda. The US urged and supported the Iraq war against Iran, including the use of chemical weapons.

As for Kuwait, the US told Saddam that it had no issue with cross border disputes, then the US lied, as it always has, always does, and mounted a gigantic propaganda scheme, like Iraq WMDs, to get American sheeple to follow. As always the sheeple followed, as did you.

Those evil US first ladies will sleep with any old scum, won't they?

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The First Iraq War Was Also Sold to the Public Based on a Pack of Lies
byJoshua Holland

But as the usual suspects come out of the woodwork to urge the US to once again commit troops to Iraq, it’s important to recall that the first Gulf War was sold to the public on a pack of lies that were just as egregious as those told by the second Bush administration 12 years later.

The Lie of an Expansionist Iraq

Most countries condemned Iraq’s 1990 invasion of Kuwait. But the truth — that it was the culmination of a series of tangled economic and historical conflicts between two Arab oil states — wasn’t likely to sell the US public on the idea of sending our troops halfway around the world to do something about it.

So we were given a variation of the “domino theory.” Saddam Hussein, we were told, had designs on the entire Middle East. If he wasn’t halted in Kuwait, his troops would just keep going into other countries.

As Scott Peterson reported for The Christian Science Monitor in 2002, a key part of the first Bush administration’s case “was that an Iraqi juggernaut was also threatening to roll into Saudi Arabia. Citing top-secret satellite images, Pentagon officials estimated in mid-September [of 1990] that up to 250,000 Iraqi troops and 1,500 tanks stood on the border, threatening the key US oil supplier.”

A quarter of a million troops with heavy armor amassed on the Saudi border certainly seemed like a clear sign of hostile intent. In announcing that he had deployed troops to the Gulf in August 1990, George HW Bush said, “I took this action to assist the Saudi Arabian Government in the defense of its homeland.” He asked the American people for their “support in a decision I’ve made to stand up for what’s right and condemn what’s wrong, all in the cause of peace.”

But one reporter — Jean Heller of the St. Petersburg Times — wasn’t satisfied taking the administration’s claims at face value. She obtained two commercial satellite images of the area taken at the exact same time that American intelligence supposedly had found Saddam’s huge and menacing army and found nothing there but empty desert.

She contacted the office of then-Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney “for evidence refuting the Times photos or analysis offering to hold the story if proven wrong.” But “the official response” was: “Trust us.”

Heller later told the Monitor’s Scott Peterson that the Iraqi buildup on the border between Kuwait and Saudi Arabia “was the whole justification for Bush sending troops in there, and it just didn’t exist.”

Dead Babies, Courtesy of a New York PR Firm

Military occupations are always brutal, and Iraq’s six-month occupation of Kuwait was no exception. But because Americans didn’t have an abundance of affection for Kuwait, a case had to be built that the Iraqi army was guilty of nothing less than Nazi-level atrocities.

That’s where a hearing held by the Congressional Human Rights Caucus in October 1990 played a major role in making the case for war.

A young woman who gave only her first name, Nayira, testified that she had been a volunteer at Kuwait’s al-Adan hospital, where she had seen Iraqi troops rip scores of babies out of incubators, leaving them “to die on the cold floor.” Between tears, she described the incident as “horrifying.”

Her account was a bombshell. Portions of her testimony were aired that evening on ABC’s “Nightline” and NBC’s “Nightly News.” Seven US senators cited her testimony in speeches urging Americans to support the war, and George HW Bush repeated the story on 10 separate occasions in the weeks that followed.

In 2002, Tom Regan wrote about his own family’s response to the story for The Christian Science Monitor:

I can still recall my brother Sean’s face. It was bright red. Furious. Not one given to fits of temper, Sean was in an uproar. He was a father, and he had just heard that Iraqi soldiers had taken scores of babies out of incubators in Kuwait City and left them to die. The Iraqis had shipped the incubators back to Baghdad. A pacifist by nature, my brother was not in a peaceful mood that day. “We’ve got to go and get Saddam Hussein. Now,” he said passionately.

Subsequent investigations by Amnesty International, a division of Human Rights Watch and independent journalists would show that the story was entirely bogus — a crucial piece of war propaganda the American media swallowed hook, line and sinker. Iraqi troops had looted Kuwaiti hospitals, but the gruesome image of babies dying on the floor was a fabrication.

In 1992, John MacArthur revealed in The New York Times that Nayirah was in fact the daughter of Saud Nasir al-Sabah, Kuwait’s ambassador to the US. Her testimony had been organized by a group called Citizens for a Free Kuwait, which was a front for the Kuwaiti government.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/06/27/first-iraq-war-was-also-sold-public-based-pack-lies



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