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Are capitalism and nationalism systematic genocide?

 
 
Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 10:36 am
Are business and nations a systematic means to genocide?
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camlok
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 05:30 pm
@Thomas33,
Yes, absophuckinglutely, as regards the USA and the UK. And the poodles.
Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 05:40 pm
@camlok,
All nations cause genocide, but uniformity prevents nationalism from being eradicated
camlok
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 05:43 pm
@Thomas33,
Not anywhere near the scale of the USA. And when they do, as in Nazi Germany, they are held to account. The poison chalice has never been handed to any US president, though Justice Jackson stated that it must be, and all of said presidents have been Class A War Criminals.
Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 06:10 pm
@camlok,
The problem the left has it that to defeat the right it needs to replicate the right, which betrays the meaning of the left; left-wing politics means no identity and structure, but to beat a rival one has to assume identity and structure, and therefore the battle is already lost before it begins.

To end genocide, and to stop right-wing capitalists from abusing and exterminating others, the left needs to defeat the right without embodying identity and structure
camlok
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 06:54 pm
@Thomas33,
So what you are saying is that the US is stuck in an ever stronger swirling whirlpool/swamp that can never become what it was supposed to be.
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D45ist
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 07:21 pm
@Thomas33,
How can the system which created the richest nation on earth, with the least poor, which other countries blocked mail from because immigrants were writing home about how you could barely tell the wealthy from the poor, cause genocide?

The country and the lives of its people has declined the more we move away from capitalism.

I lived it. You, have only heard spin.
Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 07:29 pm
@D45ist ,
The very language of rich and poor is genocide
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camlok
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 07:34 pm
@D45ist ,
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How can the system which created the richest nation on earth, with the least poor,


The system which you pretend exists, never did. Raping and pillaging other nations isn't capitalism, it's piracy.

From the US's frequent genocides/holocausts that were planned to allow US business to plunder other people's wealth.

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents." - Smedley Butler


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which other countries blocked mail from because immigrants were writing home about how you could barely tell the wealthy from the poor, cause genocide?


That's a grand piece of propaganda.
D45ist
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 08:18 pm
@camlok,
What you described is not capitalism. It is robbery. You are defining capitalism the way a liberal would as if it is something evil.

It is capitalism every time you exchange work for pay. It is capitalism every time you sell your house for more than you paid for it. It is capitalism every time you start and grow a business. It is capitalism every time you save money and earn interest.

So, anti capitalist liberals sell their home for exactly what they paid and work for nothing? I had no idea.

Ive always been curious, why don't people who believe in socialism give away their extra money?
Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 08:33 pm
@D45ist ,
Money is terrorism and genocide
D45ist
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 09:07 pm
@Thomas33,
Soooo, you work for free?

You don't find any correlation between our countries move to the left (away from conservatism and capitalism) and lack of home ownership, lack of savings,
decrease small business, divorce and destruction of the family and increased violence?

Ok, so we know facts mean nothing to you. And you work without receiving money. Hmmmm.

Why don't you just go live in Russia where they tell you how many eggs you are allotted each week?
Thomas33
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 09:11 pm
@D45ist ,
Nations is terrorism, regardless if it's the US or Russia
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camlok
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 09:13 pm
@D45ist ,
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What you described is not capitalism. It is robbery. You are defining capitalism the way a liberal would as if it is something evil.


But it is how the USA describes itself when it has never been capitalist. Capitalism entails a level playing field, not one where a major player makes a great deal of its wealth from stealing from other nations, while it is murdering them.

I'm not saying that capitalism, if it was real, is evil, but the rules are and have always been unfair. That's why the US has 1%ters.
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camlok
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 09:16 pm
@D45ist ,
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You don't find any correlation between our countries move to the left (away from conservatism and capitalism) and lack of home ownership, lack of savings,
decrease small business, divorce and destruction of the family and increased violence?


Really, you are delusional if you believe, 1. the US has moved to the left. The US has gone so far right since the small gains in equality were realized in the 1950s and 60s.

D45ist
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2017 10:36 pm
@camlok,
You're out of your bloody mind and have no knowledge of the history of this country nor politics.

Until the late 1960s this entire country (regardless of party) was conservative. It's a fact, look it up. It did not matter if you were a Dem, the Dem party itself was conservative. Almost as conservative as Republicans.

After the 1960s this country began moving left (regardless of party) and since that time divorce increased, inflation skyrocketed, wages stagnated and violence increased dramatically.

You need some serious education in the history of this country and it's politics. Until then, you should probably refrain from voting. You are only hurting yourself.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jun, 2017 04:38 am
@D45ist ,
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After the 1960s this country began moving left (regardless of party) and since that time divorce increased, inflation skyrocketed, wages stagnated and violence increased dramatically.

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc?
After the 1960s this country began moving right (regardless of party) and since that time defense spending increased, two-income families became the norm, union representation declined, and gun sales increased dramatically.
D45ist
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jun, 2017 09:03 am
@hightor,
You can repeat it until the cows come home (and throw in a Latin phrase to try to convince me you are right), but you are not.

Govt spending has increased dramatically - you do realize that caution when spending other people's money is the main premise of conservatism, right? Ooh, how awful!

No, you little pischer, back just a few decades ago when most everyone attended church, when most people with children were married to each other) and owned a home, when the children all had the same last name, when the three-some was not performed by high school students, when mommies mostly were not covered in tats, when neither of your parents had ever been in jail (and neither had you), when few people were or knew an addict, when there was not a child murdered by its own parent daily, when terrorism was word seldom spoken (or experienced) our country was far more right. As it was founded.

Your education didn't teach you history, how to derive a conclusion from facts, or that 2+2 do indeed equal 4. It just filled your brain with sludge.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jun, 2017 09:27 am
@D45ist ,

You can be as offensive as you like but for all you know the process of social decay was already in progress and the "leftist" politics you describe was a reaction, not a cause.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jun, 2017 09:30 am
@D45ist ,
Those were the good old days alright.

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-lynching-of-thomas-shipp-and-abram-smith-the-africanamericans-picture-id520830453

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XzoZ3Zhww18/RooVp8ysCwI/AAAAAAAAAAs/WpYSo0KYmxE/s400/nick_ut.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a7/f9/3c/a7f93c1eeb58c298f16536ee688684f8.jpg

It's clear why you miss them so much.
 

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