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Is far-right populism winning in the Netherlands?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 14 Mar, 2017 11:20 pm
Poll stations will open in an hour (07:30 h) and close at 21:00 h.
First prognoses will be published shortly after the closing time, projections later.
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2017 12:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Oy.

I am not a speaker of yiddish except when I need it. I am not for decades a faith person, but a language adopter. But oy works for me.
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2017 12:42 am
@ossobucotemp,
it seems so
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2017 02:20 pm
PM Mark Rutte's VVD party leads in the exit polls, Wilders’ PVV got only just a bit more votes than in the 2012 election, devastating defeat for the Social Democrats, great victory for the Green-Left
http://i.imgur.com/vJavKnk.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2017 02:33 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Exit Poll Ipsos 21:30

http://i.imgur.com/pDTWiEI.jpg
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2017 03:56 pm
Thanks to Nimh for some very clear and informative material on these matters. A truly excellent summary and very topical.
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Kolyo
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2017 10:18 pm
Well, 5 more years in the Wildersness for the Dutch far right.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2017 11:10 pm
@Kolyo,
Quote:
http://i.imgur.com/sa7aXyk.jpg


Mark Rutte has effectively halted the right-wing populist Geert Wilders.

Many considered this election to be a bellwether election for the European Union - now it can be seen as a symbolic victory against anti-European, nationalistic, extreme right populism.

The so-called "patriotic spring" Wilders predicted . victories for extreme right-wing nationalists across Europe - had failed to materialize.
saab
 
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Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 12:54 am
@Walter Hinteler,
We can be very thankful that Mark Rutte and not Wilders won.
Common sence won.
Looking at the Scandinavian papers they do not point out so clearly as the Germans it is victory against anti-European. (one cannot be an anti-European - the most anti EU)
Point more at the doubt Wilder could run a country, his hate propaganda and his anti in general.
I saw a poll from 2016 that about 46% of the Dutch are EU unfavorable
Sweden 44% and Germany 48%. Denmark was not even asked. Those polls are never really trustworthy.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 01:07 am
@saab,
Quote:
http://i.imgur.com/DcvQe7o.jpg


Most likely, in my opinion, the new government will be a coalition of VVD, D66 and CDA.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 01:11 am
Very good news. The old continent has still a bit of wisdom in its collective political brain, it seems.
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saab
 
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Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 04:04 am
Turkey:
40 Dutch cows to be sent back to Holland - the cows have started to cause serious problems
In a move intended to symbolise their discontent, authorities in Istanbul announced the scrapping of a twin-town scheme between Istanbul and Rotterdam. Turkey’s red meat association even ordered the expulsion of 40 Dutch cows of the Holstein Friesian breed.

“The Dutch Holstein cows have become very common in our country. But this breed is starting to cause serious problems,” Bulent Tunç, the head of the organisation, told the Anadolu news agency. “In future we do not want animal products from Holland. We have our own quality breeds.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/15/recep-tayyip-erdogan-rails-against-dutch-in-televised-speech-netherlands-srebrenica
jcboy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 03:27 pm
The Conservative Democrats won the Dutch elections beating out the far-right "Freedom Party". Very Happy
I guess people all over the world are still saying no to "Trumpism".

One thing I should mention, if the election had been held at the same time as Trump's it would have gone the other way. But now that people have had a chance to see the vast degradation of our politics, they said no thank you. Razz
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Thu 16 Mar, 2017 04:01 pm
@saab,
Ive no idea about the cows, but I'm no Erdogan fan.
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saab
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2017 03:10 am
@jcboy,
We can be happy that the Conservative Democrats won.
Still they lost 5.3% from last election and the Wilder´s party had 3% more.
This shows the tendency in EU.
I think that how things will develope also depends a bit on how EU politicians behave in the future. There are no real danger for more Brexit at the moment but a lot of sceptisism.
Scandinavian politicians and journalist talk about EU...
Germans about Europe....
Erdogan`s behavior does not make it easeir for Muslims living in EU. People will blame Muslims for Erdogan. Very unfair.
saab
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2017 03:59 am
@saab,
A German paper this morning
Europe is cheering
A Swedish commentator
The EU leaders will breath a sign of relief
A Danish commentator
The EU-fanatiscs are relieved
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2017 04:19 am
Great TV debate between 5 of the French candidates yesterday night. Perhaps the most interesting political debate I ever saw on TV. I liked Melanchon's and Fillon's contributions; the general tone was very civil and occasionally constructive.

Macron beat them all without breaking a sweat, and with a smile, as usual. This guy is really a charmer. In comparison Le Pen looked tired, contrived, old and incoherent.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/21/macron-seen-winning-french-tv-debate-clashes-with-le-pen.html
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2017 07:46 am
@Olivier5,
Great news. How is Le Pen doing in the polls? Hopefully not so good.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2017 10:54 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
She still commands a quarter of the electorate so could lead in the first round of voting, something which would already be an achievement for her. Her chances of winning the second round (between the two top contenders of first round) are almost nil.

This said, the campaign has been very open and with lots of ups and downs. Fillon has been wounded by the judges but he's not dead yet. Le Pen also has judiciary troubles (worse ones than Fillon's) that are weighting on her polls. Any twist and turn in those cases can affect the election.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2017 11:05 am
Would love a cities vs countryside breakdown, nihm.
I"ve been told Wilders came out 8th in Ámsterdam and Rotterdam, so he must have won somewhere.
Probably, a pattern similar to the US and UK, but with more civilized results.
 

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